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Nik Bonnito-UM recruitment ramping up again?

jhtheking said:
HurricaneVision said:
I had never heard of this kid, or watched him play before seeing this thread. I truly do not care what his rating is, or who is recruiting him, to me, recruiting is all about what you are asking the player at that position to do. This kid fits what we want to do at SLB perfectly. Almost like he was created in a Manny Diaz' defense lab. He can rush the passer, he can move and get into passing lanes. He's long. He's fast. He's physical. He finishes the play. Plays against good competition.

You find a spot for him. He'll upgrade special teams and depth immediately. I like him better than I did Wilder.
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I appreciate the sentiment, but there's logic behind looking at what players are ranked and how many stars they have. 4 stars are more than 2.5x more likely to be drafted than 3 stars. That being said, Nik is a 4 star. He fits what we do perfectly because he's really ****ing good and thus, really highly rated.

The moment we stop caring about the rankings of our players is when we go back to Al Golden territory where 75% of our class is full of 3 star "hidden gems" and then we lose to FSU 7 years in a row.
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I will say I appreciate the use of data. It's something I understand and gravitate towards because it takes the emotion out of things.

That said, I really do not care what a website says about a player as far as recruiting ranking goes. The recruiting sites are fairly rigged in the sense that they aren't really evaluating players, they are selling subscriptions or trolling for page views. Being accurate and informative with their information helps to do that, for sure, but what they really want to do more than be accurate is make money. Large programs pay them for "game film and evaluations" when in reality what they're paying for is a bump for their recruits. Fans want to see highly rated players commit to their schools so programs that pay for their services get bumps in rankings.

Secondarily, the websites use big programs going after a player as a "check" to their ranking. Ohio State, Penn State, Alabama, Miami, Florida State start offering a two-star prospect, guess what is happening to that player's rating? They are getting bumped big-time at the next update. This isn't because they re-evaluated the kid, it's because they hedge their bets that if all these big-time schools with highly paid coaches like him, they need to like him more as well. When they do a review of where they had these guys rated, they get the benefit of that change in information.

For me, I want my coaches evaluating prospects for my school, and my school only. I want my coaches evaluating players for the traits and skills necessary to be successful in what I'm asking him to do. I wish we'd have done that with Rashad Fenton. A three-star kid that I loved. How about Skai Moore, another three-star kid I loved.

We've taken plenty of four-star kids I haven't liked at all for what we're going to ask him to do. I'm not talking about hidden gems at all, I'm talking about player evaluations specific to what we're asking the position to do.

For fun, I looked at the 2016 Consensus All-Americans.

QB- Lamar Jackson (.8788 three-star)
RB- Dalvin Cook (.9937 five-star)
RB- D'Onta Foreman (.8382 three-star)
WR- Corey Davis (.7741 two-star)
WR- DeDe Westbrook (.9025 four-star Juco)
TE- Jake Butt (.9255 four-star)
OT- Cody O'Connell (.8361 three-star)
OT- Ryan Ramcyzk (Not rated, transferred from DIII)
OT- Cam Robinson (.9979 five-star)
OT- Connor Williams (.8773 three-star)
C- Pat Elflein (.8419 three-star)

DE- Jonathan Allen (.9920 five-star)
DE- Derek Barnett (.9164 (four-star)
DE- Myles Garrett (.9992 five-star)
DE- Demarcus Walker (.9823 (four-star)
LB- Zach Cunningham (.9013 (four-star)
LB- Reuben Foster (.9958 (five-star)
LB- Jabrill Peppers (.9992 five-star)
S- Malik Hooker (.8858 three-star)
S- Budda Baker (.9721 (four-star)
CB- Minkah Fitzpatrick- (.9868 five-star)
CB- Tre'Davious White- (.9732 four-star)
All-Purpose- Quadree Henderson (.8589 three-star)

Results are good on the defensive side for sure. Man, Alabama isn't just good at recruiting five-stars, they're recruiting the right ones. Of course when you get a whole bunch of them, it's going to look like you're hitting on a bunch of them.
 

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HurricaneVision said:
jhtheking said:
HurricaneVision said:
I had never heard of this kid, or watched him play before seeing this thread. I truly do not care what his rating is, or who is recruiting him, to me, recruiting is all about what you are asking the player at that position to do. This kid fits what we want to do at SLB perfectly. Almost like he was created in a Manny Diaz' defense lab. He can rush the passer, he can move and get into passing lanes. He's long. He's fast. He's physical. He finishes the play. Plays against good competition.

You find a spot for him. He'll upgrade special teams and depth immediately. I like him better than I did Wilder.
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I appreciate the sentiment, but there's logic behind looking at what players are ranked and how many stars they have. 4 stars are more than 2.5x more likely to be drafted than 3 stars. That being said, Nik is a 4 star. He fits what we do perfectly because he's really ****ing good and thus, really highly rated.

The moment we stop caring about the rankings of our players is when we go back to Al Golden territory where 75% of our class is full of 3 star "hidden gems" and then we lose to FSU 7 years in a row.
Click to expand...

I will say I appreciate the use of data. It's something I understand and gravitate towards because it takes the emotion out of things.

That said, I really do not care what a website says about a player as far as recruiting ranking goes. The recruiting sites are fairly rigged in the sense that they aren't really evaluating players, they are selling subscriptions or trolling for page views. Being accurate and informative with their information helps to do that, for sure, but what they really want to do more than be accurate is make money. Large programs pay them for "game film and evaluations" when in reality what they're paying for is a bump for their recruits. Fans want to see highly rated players commit to their schools so programs that pay for their services get bumps in rankings.

Secondarily, the websites use big programs going after a player as a "check" to their ranking. Ohio State, Penn State, Alabama, Miami, Florida State start offering a two-star prospect, guess what is happening to that player's rating? They are getting bumped big-time at the next update. This isn't because they re-evaluated the kid, it's because they hedge their bets that if all these big-time schools with highly paid coaches like him, they need to like him more as well. When they do a review of where they had these guys rated, they get the benefit of that change in information.

For me, I want my coaches evaluating prospects for my school, and my school only. I want my coaches evaluating players for the traits and skills necessary to be successful in what I'm asking him to do. I wish we'd have done that with Rashad Fenton. A three-star kid that I loved. How about Skai Moore, another three-star kid I loved.

We've taken plenty of four-star kids I haven't liked at all for what we're going to ask him to do. I'm not talking about hidden gems at all, I'm talking about player evaluations specific to what we're asking the position to do.

For fun, I looked at the 2016 Consensus All-Americans.

QB- Lamar Jackson (.8788 three-star)
RB- Dalvin Cook (.9937 five-star)
RB- D'Onta Foreman (.8382 three-star)
WR- Corey Davis (.7741 two-star)
WR- DeDe Westbrook (.9025 four-star Juco)
TE- Jake Butt (.9255 four-star)
OT- Cody O'Connell (.8361 three-star)
OT- Ryan Ramcyzk (Not rated, transferred from DIII)
OT- Cam Robinson (.9979 five-star)
OT- Connor Williams (.8773 three-star)
C- Pat Elflein (.8419 three-star)

DE- Jonathan Allen (.9920 five-star)
DE- Derek Barnett (.9164 (four-star)
DE- Myles Garrett (.9992 five-star)
DE- Demarcus Walker (.9823 (four-star)
LB- Zach Cunningham (.9013 (four-star)
LB- Reuben Foster (.9958 (five-star)
LB- Jabrill Peppers (.9992 five-star)
S- Malik Hooker (.8858 three-star)
S- Budda Baker (.9721 (four-star)
CB- Minkah Fitzpatrick- (.9868 five-star)
CB- Tre'Davious White- (.9732 four-star)
All-Purpose- Quadree Henderson (.8589 three-star)

Results are good on the defensive side for sure. Man, Alabama isn't just good at recruiting five-stars, they're recruiting the right ones. Of course when you get a whole bunch of them, it's going to look like you're hitting on a bunch of them.
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Saban is the best at evaluating guys and thats why they r so dominant, not only can they get the 5 stars they know which unheralded guys will be players. Its why sometimes guys get a boost in rank if bama is on them hard cuz they trust sabans eye, Hall and Jobe are guys he really wants badly. He was on Richards as well and Richards is our best player on O when healthy
 
Dwinstitles said:
HurricaneVision said:
jhtheking said:
HurricaneVision said:
I had never heard of this kid, or watched him play before seeing this thread. I truly do not care what his rating is, or who is recruiting him, to me, recruiting is all about what you are asking the player at that position to do. This kid fits what we want to do at SLB perfectly. Almost like he was created in a Manny Diaz' defense lab. He can rush the passer, he can move and get into passing lanes. He's long. He's fast. He's physical. He finishes the play. Plays against good competition.

You find a spot for him. He'll upgrade special teams and depth immediately. I like him better than I did Wilder.
Click to expand...

I appreciate the sentiment, but there's logic behind looking at what players are ranked and how many stars they have. 4 stars are more than 2.5x more likely to be drafted than 3 stars. That being said, Nik is a 4 star. He fits what we do perfectly because he's really ****ing good and thus, really highly rated.

The moment we stop caring about the rankings of our players is when we go back to Al Golden territory where 75% of our class is full of 3 star "hidden gems" and then we lose to FSU 7 years in a row.
Click to expand...

I will say I appreciate the use of data. It's something I understand and gravitate towards because it takes the emotion out of things.

That said, I really do not care what a website says about a player as far as recruiting ranking goes. The recruiting sites are fairly rigged in the sense that they aren't really evaluating players, they are selling subscriptions or trolling for page views. Being accurate and informative with their information helps to do that, for sure, but what they really want to do more than be accurate is make money. Large programs pay them for "game film and evaluations" when in reality what they're paying for is a bump for their recruits. Fans want to see highly rated players commit to their schools so programs that pay for their services get bumps in rankings.

Secondarily, the websites use big programs going after a player as a "check" to their ranking. Ohio State, Penn State, Alabama, Miami, Florida State start offering a two-star prospect, guess what is happening to that player's rating? They are getting bumped big-time at the next update. This isn't because they re-evaluated the kid, it's because they hedge their bets that if all these big-time schools with highly paid coaches like him, they need to like him more as well. When they do a review of where they had these guys rated, they get the benefit of that change in information.

For me, I want my coaches evaluating prospects for my school, and my school only. I want my coaches evaluating players for the traits and skills necessary to be successful in what I'm asking him to do. I wish we'd have done that with Rashad Fenton. A three-star kid that I loved. How about Skai Moore, another three-star kid I loved.

We've taken plenty of four-star kids I haven't liked at all for what we're going to ask him to do. I'm not talking about hidden gems at all, I'm talking about player evaluations specific to what we're asking the position to do.

For fun, I looked at the 2016 Consensus All-Americans.

QB- Lamar Jackson (.8788 three-star)
RB- Dalvin Cook (.9937 five-star)
RB- D'Onta Foreman (.8382 three-star)
WR- Corey Davis (.7741 two-star)
WR- DeDe Westbrook (.9025 four-star Juco)
TE- Jake Butt (.9255 four-star)
OT- Cody O'Connell (.8361 three-star)
OT- Ryan Ramcyzk (Not rated, transferred from DIII)
OT- Cam Robinson (.9979 five-star)
OT- Connor Williams (.8773 three-star)
C- Pat Elflein (.8419 three-star)

DE- Jonathan Allen (.9920 five-star)
DE- Derek Barnett (.9164 (four-star)
DE- Myles Garrett (.9992 five-star)
DE- Demarcus Walker (.9823 (four-star)
LB- Zach Cunningham (.9013 (four-star)
LB- Reuben Foster (.9958 (five-star)
LB- Jabrill Peppers (.9992 five-star)
S- Malik Hooker (.8858 three-star)
S- Budda Baker (.9721 (four-star)
CB- Minkah Fitzpatrick- (.9868 five-star)
CB- Tre'Davious White- (.9732 four-star)
All-Purpose- Quadree Henderson (.8589 three-star)

Results are good on the defensive side for sure. Man, Alabama isn't just good at recruiting five-stars, they're recruiting the right ones. Of course when you get a whole bunch of them, it's going to look like you're hitting on a bunch of them.
Click to expand...

Saban is the best at evaluating guys and thats why they r so dominant, not only can they get the 5 stars they know which unheralded guys will be players. Its why sometimes guys get a boost in rank if bama is on them hard cuz they trust sabans eye, Hall and Jobe are guys he really wants badly. He was on Richards as well and Richards is our best player on O when healthy
Click to expand...

Saban is obviously a great coach: great in all categories from identifying, recruiting and developing talent.
But I don't necessarily think he's the best at evaluating talent.
Butch was as good or better than him.
I think the coaches at VT are as good as Saban too.
So is Gary Patterson at TCU and Bill Snyder at KState.
Big difference between those coaches and Saban is that the latter is working at a program that
is essentially an NFL franchise, and that includes the salary they pay to on and off-field coaches and
players.
 
MedleyCane said:
Dwinstitles said:
HurricaneVision said:
jhtheking said:
HurricaneVision said:
I had never heard of this kid, or watched him play before seeing this thread. I truly do not care what his rating is, or who is recruiting him, to me, recruiting is all about what you are asking the player at that position to do. This kid fits what we want to do at SLB perfectly. Almost like he was created in a Manny Diaz' defense lab. He can rush the passer, he can move and get into passing lanes. He's long. He's fast. He's physical. He finishes the play. Plays against good competition.

You find a spot for him. He'll upgrade special teams and depth immediately. I like him better than I did Wilder.
Click to expand...

I appreciate the sentiment, but there's logic behind looking at what players are ranked and how many stars they have. 4 stars are more than 2.5x more likely to be drafted than 3 stars. That being said, Nik is a 4 star. He fits what we do perfectly because he's really ****ing good and thus, really highly rated.

The moment we stop caring about the rankings of our players is when we go back to Al Golden territory where 75% of our class is full of 3 star "hidden gems" and then we lose to FSU 7 years in a row.
Click to expand...

I will say I appreciate the use of data. It's something I understand and gravitate towards because it takes the emotion out of things.

That said, I really do not care what a website says about a player as far as recruiting ranking goes. The recruiting sites are fairly rigged in the sense that they aren't really evaluating players, they are selling subscriptions or trolling for page views. Being accurate and informative with their information helps to do that, for sure, but what they really want to do more than be accurate is make money. Large programs pay them for "game film and evaluations" when in reality what they're paying for is a bump for their recruits. Fans want to see highly rated players commit to their schools so programs that pay for their services get bumps in rankings.

Secondarily, the websites use big programs going after a player as a "check" to their ranking. Ohio State, Penn State, Alabama, Miami, Florida State start offering a two-star prospect, guess what is happening to that player's rating? They are getting bumped big-time at the next update. This isn't because they re-evaluated the kid, it's because they hedge their bets that if all these big-time schools with highly paid coaches like him, they need to like him more as well. When they do a review of where they had these guys rated, they get the benefit of that change in information.

For me, I want my coaches evaluating prospects for my school, and my school only. I want my coaches evaluating players for the traits and skills necessary to be successful in what I'm asking him to do. I wish we'd have done that with Rashad Fenton. A three-star kid that I loved. How about Skai Moore, another three-star kid I loved.

We've taken plenty of four-star kids I haven't liked at all for what we're going to ask him to do. I'm not talking about hidden gems at all, I'm talking about player evaluations specific to what we're asking the position to do.

For fun, I looked at the 2016 Consensus All-Americans.

QB- Lamar Jackson (.8788 three-star)
RB- Dalvin Cook (.9937 five-star)
RB- D'Onta Foreman (.8382 three-star)
WR- Corey Davis (.7741 two-star)
WR- DeDe Westbrook (.9025 four-star Juco)
TE- Jake Butt (.9255 four-star)
OT- Cody O'Connell (.8361 three-star)
OT- Ryan Ramcyzk (Not rated, transferred from DIII)
OT- Cam Robinson (.9979 five-star)
OT- Connor Williams (.8773 three-star)
C- Pat Elflein (.8419 three-star)

DE- Jonathan Allen (.9920 five-star)
DE- Derek Barnett (.9164 (four-star)
DE- Myles Garrett (.9992 five-star)
DE- Demarcus Walker (.9823 (four-star)
LB- Zach Cunningham (.9013 (four-star)
LB- Reuben Foster (.9958 (five-star)
LB- Jabrill Peppers (.9992 five-star)
S- Malik Hooker (.8858 three-star)
S- Budda Baker (.9721 (four-star)
CB- Minkah Fitzpatrick- (.9868 five-star)
CB- Tre'Davious White- (.9732 four-star)
All-Purpose- Quadree Henderson (.8589 three-star)

Results are good on the defensive side for sure. Man, Alabama isn't just good at recruiting five-stars, they're recruiting the right ones. Of course when you get a whole bunch of them, it's going to look like you're hitting on a bunch of them.
Click to expand...

Saban is the best at evaluating guys and thats why they r so dominant, not only can they get the 5 stars they know which unheralded guys will be players. Its why sometimes guys get a boost in rank if bama is on them hard cuz they trust sabans eye, Hall and Jobe are guys he really wants badly. He was on Richards as well and Richards is our best player on O when healthy
Click to expand...

Saban is obviously a great coach: great in all categories from identifying, recruiting and developing talent.
But I don't necessarily think he's the best at evaluating talent.
Butch was as good or better than him.
I think the coaches at VT are as good as Saban too.
So is Gary Patterson at TCU and Bill Snyder at KState.
Big difference between those coaches and Saban is that the latter is working at a program that
is essentially an NFL franchise, and that includes the salary they pay to on and off-field coaches and
players.
Click to expand...

Yea Butch was better at identifying guys no question, we have to hit on storm 18 badly
 
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HurricaneAce07 said:
TrueFloridian said:
With Owens likely leaving and Gordinier being Glass Joe we should sign Abdullah and Bonnito.
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I'm still at a loss as to why we didn't go after Abdullah. I've watched his film multiple times and he seems like a hybrid LB with length and speed.
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He's probably faster than any player we have committed not named Lingard. He's a sure tackler albeit not a thumper. I fully expect Abdullah to be playing on Sundays.
 
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It’s crazy we never offered this kid. Check in day for UA All American Game is today and he’s committing between Oklahoma, Texas & Louisville during the game. Kid was getting interviewed about those 3 schools but yet he’s still wearing a Miami wristband. Smh staff gone let a genuine Hurricane get away.
 
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Good enough to play at OU or Texas but not at Miami? Different schemes, yeah I get it. Coaches know something we don’t, yeah I get it.
 
obviously there must be major red flags with this guy if the big 3 wont touch him.
 
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