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The discussion was started because I inquired about Dt's. I said that the lack of an impact DT would result in moderate improvement. The replies where more optimistic than my assessment.

I think with the recent addition of Bond it lends to discussing it here. This is my analysis:

My "on the fence" stance is because: Unless we see a complete different 3G (losing some weight, getting more speed) we cannot expect a MAJOR pass rush form that side of the line right? Can Pierre make that big of a jump???

I looked at some stats after giving an imaginary goal. Last year's D was remarkably better then this year's even though the players had to learn a whole new system in less then a year. In 2011 our D was giving up 20.8 pts per game - compared to 30.5 in 2012. In 2011 we gave up 359 yards per game, in 2012 we gave up 486 per game. Total defense rank in 2011 - 45, in 2012 #121. In comparison to the better defenses this year: Kansas St. gave up 21 pts per game, ND gave up a crazy 10 pts per game, and Ohio St. gave up 22.8 pts per game.

Why all those numbers? cause the "goal" i mentioned earlier, in my mind, is that if our D can equate the performance of 2011, then I believe we can potentially win every game. In 2011, the 359 yards per game an 20.8 are consistent with this year's numbers...Oio state gave up 359 yards per game and also held the opponents to low 20's at 22.8. My point??? that my imaginary goal of keeping teams to the 20-22 pts per game and about 300-350 yards per game WITH THE POTENTIAL of our offense gives us an amazing chance of running away with it. Of winning a ton of games.

But all depends on the Dline. That is why I was/am so skeptical as to what our current players can do/will do based on what we have seen. I agree, Mccord looks to be a super star and Bond may allow us to quicken throws, 3rd and longs, 3 and outs, and TO's. Porter has proven to be a difference maker. But I just don't see such a huge jump. I looked at Temple's numbers on D. In 2006 they gave up 41.3 pts per game. In 2007 - 26.25. In 2008 - 23.25. Our defense is stuck in between year two and year three with their defense. Add the intangibles: more athleticism, a higher quality player. And I guess we really should see a bigger improvement with our D. Not sure we will have this kind of jump - although I am hoping for it of course - but ND in 2011 was giving up 20.7 pts per game...in 2012 they shrunk that to 10.3 !!!!!

In any case, those are my concerns and analysis. Yes there has to be improvement. Just how much I am not so sure.
 
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Dwayne Hoillett, Jake O'Donnell, and Tyriq McCord....If these guys show up we will be ok.
 
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Edit: Our defensive line will be fine if Porter stays and stays healthy. We will get pass rush from McCord, Bond, and Terry. Up the middle I expect Porter and Pierre to get good push. Pierre was a second year player. We played freshmen big minutes across our d-line. All those guys will be bigger, stronger, and more experienced next season. This does not translate into #1 defense in the nation, no, but it suggests we should see significant improvement over this past season. We were 118th in the nation!

I think top 50 is easily doable if for no other reasons than we'll be more experienced AND WE PLAY IN THE ACC.
 
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Why is it assumed we will get a pass rush from McCord & Terry?

I have no confidence in Swasey at this point.
 
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This is not a defense of Swasey, but our team was stronger this year. We need more experience, more technique work, and more talent. Both of the players you named were true freshmen. McCord played very well for a first year player. Terry didn't see as much action as McCord, but he too played well.

DeadPoets said:
Why is it assumed we will get a pass rush from McCord & Terry?

I have no confidence in Swasey at this point.
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Here is who we will have next season sans Smith:

17** Tyriq McCord DE 6'3" 236 Fr. Tampa, Fla. (Jefferson HS)
51** Shayon Green DE 6'3" 260 RJr. Tifton, Ga. (Tifton County HS)
66** Dequan Ivery DT 6'1" 303 Fr. Lake City, Fla. (Florida Columbian)
67** Corey King DT 6'1" 292 RFr. Boca Raton, Fla. (West Boca Raton HS)
71** Anthony Chickillo DE 6'4" 265 So. Tampa, Fla. (Alonso HS)
72** Earl Moore DT 6'1" 300 Fr. Tampa, Fla. (Hillsborough)
87** Jacoby Briscoe DT 6'5" 312 RFr. Lafayette, La. (Carencro High School)
90** Ricardo Williams DE 6'5" 251 RFr. Homestead, Fla. (Homestead Senior HS)
91** Olsen Pierre DT 6'4" 296 So. Rahway, N.J. (Fork Union (Va.) Military Academy)
92** Jalen Grimble DE 6'2" 292 So. Las Vegas, Nev. (Bishop Gorman HS)
93** Luther Robinson DT 6'3" 290 RJr. Fort Pierce, Fla. (Westwood HS)
94** Kelvin Cain DE 6'3" 245 Jr. Clovis, Calif. (Buchanan HS)
95** Jake O'Donnell DE 6'6" 243 Fr. Doylestown, Pa. (Central Bucks East)
96** Curtis Porter DT 6'1" 308 RJr. Charlotte, N.C. (Victory Christian HS)
97** Dwayne Hoilett DE 6'3" 247 Fr. Vero Beach, Fla. (Vero Beach)
98** Darius Smith DT 6'2" 313 RSr. New Britain, Conn. (New Britain HS)
99** Jelani Hamilton DE 6'5" 271 Fr. Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (St. Thomas Aquinas)

Got to make it work. Maintain the Porter is the key.
 
Bennubird said:
Here is who we will have next season sans Smith:

17** Tyriq McCord DE 6'3" 236 Fr. Tampa, Fla. (Jefferson HS)
51** Shayon Green DE 6'3" 260 RJr. Tifton, Ga. (Tifton County HS)
66** Dequan Ivery DT 6'1" 303 Fr. Lake City, Fla. (Florida Columbian)
67** Corey King DT 6'1" 292 RFr. Boca Raton, Fla. (West Boca Raton HS)
71** Anthony Chickillo DE 6'4" 265 So. Tampa, Fla. (Alonso HS)
72** Earl Moore DT 6'1" 300 Fr. Tampa, Fla. (Hillsborough)
87** Jacoby Briscoe DT 6'5" 312 RFr. Lafayette, La. (Carencro High School)
90** Ricardo Williams DE 6'5" 251 RFr. Homestead, Fla. (Homestead Senior HS)
91** Olsen Pierre DT 6'4" 296 So. Rahway, N.J. (Fork Union (Va.) Military Academy)
92** Jalen Grimble DE 6'2" 292 So. Las Vegas, Nev. (Bishop Gorman HS)
93** Luther Robinson DT 6'3" 290 RJr. Fort Pierce, Fla. (Westwood HS)
94** Kelvin Cain DE 6'3" 245 Jr. Clovis, Calif. (Buchanan HS)
95** Jake O'Donnell DE 6'6" 243 Fr. Doylestown, Pa. (Central Bucks East)
96** Curtis Porter DT 6'1" 308 RJr. Charlotte, N.C. (Victory Christian HS)
97** Dwayne Hoilett DE 6'3" 247 Fr. Vero Beach, Fla. (Vero Beach)
98** Darius Smith DT 6'2" 313 RSr. New Britain, Conn. (New Britain HS)
99** Jelani Hamilton DE 6'5" 271 Fr. Fort Lauderdale, Fla. (St. Thomas Aquinas)

Got to make it work. Maintain the Porter is the key.
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I'm sorry but I'm just not comfortable with an entire Dline comprised of 2-stars. Man that's depressing.
 
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Porter has to stay. We need a 3rd DT to step up? One of Moore or Ivery could be that guy.
 
I liked what I saw from Ivery on a couple plays. We need to hit on atleast one of the three from the 12' class.
 
Good news is we have to be better by default. Basicly same players with a year of maturity and strength.
 
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There were some games were we looked overmatched last year, but against some of the ACC teams we looked noticeably stronger and in better condition.
 
DeadPoets said:
CanesAreAble said:
DeadPoets said:
Why is it assumed we will get a pass rush from McCord & Terry?

I have no confidence in Swasey at this point.
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With Golden at the helm, Swasey is no longer an issue.
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Hope you're right
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Last year was the first with a nutrition program, correct? If so, there's the entire reason S and C failed under Shannon, and that failure transitioned into the first year of Golden. IF the nutrition program really did not start until the offseason post-2011 season, then the gains we saw will continue to trend up.
 
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I think Bond might get get chipped to death by the tackle once opponents understand his role. The staff needs to develop his talent, and he'll be a real weapon on the outside along with McCord.
 
I share the concern of the OP but I'm a bit more optimistic. As long as Porter stays, the addition of Bond, perhaps another player TBD that can also add to the rush, I think we can get to the 50 range of total defense.

I've said it in other threads, that'll give us at least another 2-3 wins, and especially with our schedule next year, gives us a shot to win every game. There really is no where to go but up for this D, and I think they know if they can raise their game some, not be ND, but not give up 500 yards to anyone trying, next year can be a 2000 type year.

I also have no concern about Swas and S&C. We were noticeably stronger and in better condition this year. One more off season and UTough is only going to make these kids that much stronger. What is left is either one of the young DT's to have a light come on and be that third really serviceable DT and/or one more addition that can have a more immediate impact, whether that's a grown *** JUCO or a special frosh that can have a McCord type year, maybe Dee Liner if we snag him, I'll take either. Staff knows this, hence the pursuit of so many JUCO guys.

Either way, I think we can make that type of jump next year. It should be a fun season gents.
 
bomba said:
I think Bond might get get chipped to death by the tackle once opponents understand his role. The staff needs to develop his talent, and he'll be a real weapon on the outside along with McCord.
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This....McCord alone with 15-20 more pounds will be alot more effective.

Chickillo needs to add more weight this offseason and move inside. He's a slow white boy pretending to be a pass rushing DE.
 
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