NCAA response "disingenuous," says compliance expert

[DMoney]

Ridpath, a former compliance director at Marshall and Weber State universities, called these claims "disingenuous in many ways."

"I find it so funny that they're using some of the same rhetoric that they've often battled against," said Ridpath, an outspoken opponent of the NCAA's enforcement process. "But I think, based on what the NCAA's admitted to already and how they've messed up the investigation, it's pretty hollow to hear that the NCAA's offended by anything when that whole process has been pretty offensive over the years — doing some of the same things they're accusing Miami of doing."

http://canesinsight.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=9

 

[AZHurricane]

As I said in the other thread, this is a classic case of projection - attributing behaviors to your adversary that you yourself embody.

 

[Stingarov]

I care far more for the opinion of a guy like Ridpath than most others. Dude was a compliance director at two small academically borderline schools (alright, not sure on Weber State but Marshall for sure) with small fan bases. In other words, he had to make sure that those schools ran as tight a ship as possible. Schools whose profiles fit the very model of the type of school the NCAA has loved to quietly pummel the **** out of in past decades, in order to fill their 'see, we enforce the rules' (while ignoring the SEC) quota.

If he's dismissing the NCAA's bull**** as scurrilous, then go HAM as **** Shalala.

Actual links here and here.

 

[NVA CANE]

The enforcement staff keeps digging the NCAA into a deeper hole. I truly believe the COI and university presidents know the enforcement staff has thoroughly embarrassed the NCAA. This will go away come June and lots of changes to the NCAA are coming

 

[eliteproxy]

here are the 3 different scenarios this can end up

Scenario 1
NCAA has few internal hearings, and orders a thorough investigation in to the full Miami investigation. After that the NCAA settles with Miami. Miami gets probations, and few other small things here and there

Scenario 2
goes to COI, during the hearing allot comes out. turns out Miami is really guilty of violations and the NCAA is guilt of botching this and being unethical. Miami gets the chose 1. bowl ban + probation OR 2. probation + scholarship reduction + fines + forfeit loads of wins.


Scenario 3
NCAA pushes this. the COI sides with Enforcement and the NCAA decides to "stick together". Miami gets 1 more year + TV bans etc. Miami appeals, gets denied and takes it to court. after about 5-7 years the NCAA loses and Miami "wins"


I am going to go with option 2 but this still ends up at Appeals and gets resolved at appeals

i KNOW we all want this to go to court and Miami blows NCAA out of the water but this will NEVER happen. NCAA will never in this lifetime allow a lawsuit like this go forward. WAY too much at stake. Once Miami starts to request phone records, emails etc & starts to accuse the NCAA of fraud, cover up etc...

Sorry Cane fans, this ends up going through a boring process. No magic bullet and we will get hit with something or another, but take this to the bank NO MORE BOWL BANS!

 

[RBhurricane87]

As I said in the other thread, this is a classic case of projection - attributing behaviors to your adversary that you yourself embody.

This...and it's so blatant too...it's comical

 

[Fly1]

Proxy,
Slow down with some of those projections. Those last two you listed are way harsh. The NCAA really doesnt do the whole TV ban thing anymore.

 

[CaneSuger]

The Sun Sentinel has really become a good newspaper lately.

 

[eliteproxy]

Proxy,
Slow down with some of those projections. Those last two you listed are way harsh. The NCAA really doesnt do the whole TV ban thing anymore.

really? they haven't done it for a long long time but its still in the toolbox. Doesn't mean we will get it just still in the toolbox

 

[Fly1]

TV bans hurts other schools....they wont use it. Regardless....we arent looking at getting anything like you mentioned.

 

[jakeman1]

Miami has already taken two bowl bans and the ACCCG, along with reduced visits and scholarship reductions. There is no way a total of three bowl bans and more scholarship reductions fits the crime here. If the allegations were presented right now, everyone would predict one bowl and some scholarships and be done. What Shapiro alleged and what's been proven are two different things. This whole thing hinges on LOIC, which it clearly was not.

 

[westcoastcanes]

here are the 3 different scenarios this can end up

Scenario 1
NCAA has few internal hearings, and orders a thorough investigation in to the full Miami investigation. After that the NCAA settles with Miami. Miami gets probations, and few other small things here and there

Scenario 2
goes to COI, during the hearing allot comes out. turns out Miami is really guilty of violations and the NCAA is guilt of botching this and being unethical. Miami gets the chose 1. bowl ban + probation OR 2. probation + scholarship reduction + fines + forfeit loads of wins.


Scenario 3
NCAA pushes this. the COI sides with Enforcement and the NCAA decides to "stick together". Miami gets 1 more year + TV bans etc. Miami appeals, gets denied and takes it to court. after about 5-7 years the NCAA loses and Miami "wins"

i don't think anyone looking at this whole thing objectively would maintain that because the ncaa can't prove benefits, they did not occur (not that you suggest this, just prefacing my possible outcome). miami would not have self imposed what they did if they could not substantiate enough to fit the penalty in their mind. this does not excuse miami, and it does not excuse the enforcement arm of the ncaa. that being considered,

possible scenario 4:
everyone makes some concessions in a deal. the coi concedes that the process was handled soo poorly that moving forward the only further action will be a duration of probation.
miami agrees not to sue the NCAA's balls to the wall in exchange for reimbursement of legal fees.

 

[mirvin88]

NCAA is shook

 

[bathtubgin]

here are the 3 different scenarios this can end up

Scenario 1
NCAA has few internal hearings, and orders a thorough investigation in to the full Miami investigation. After that the NCAA settles with Miami. Miami gets probations, and few other small things here and there

Scenario 2
goes to COI, during the hearing allot comes out. turns out Miami is really guilty of violations and the NCAA is guilt of botching this and being unethical. Miami gets the chose 1. bowl ban + probation OR 2. probation + scholarship reduction + fines + forfeit loads of wins.


Scenario 3
NCAA pushes this. the COI sides with Enforcement and the NCAA decides to "stick together". Miami gets 1 more year + TV bans etc. Miami appeals, gets denied and takes it to court. after about 5-7 years the NCAA loses and Miami "wins"


I am going to go with option 2 but this still ends up at Appeals and gets resolved at appeals

i KNOW we all want this to go to court and Miami blows NCAA out of the water but this will NEVER happen. NCAA will never in this lifetime allow a lawsuit like this go forward. WAY too much at stake. Once Miami starts to request phone records, emails etc & starts to accuse the NCAA of fraud, cover up etc...

Sorry Cane fans, this ends up going through a boring process. No magic bullet and we will get hit with something or another, but take this to the bank NO MORE BOWL BANS!

Nobody is getting TV bans this day in age, especially not a school in a major conference that draws good-huge ratings for it's games. The tv bans **** over the teams playing the banned school every bit as much as the team who got the ban.

 

[dk72]

Miami has already taken two bowl bans and the ACCCG, along with reduced visits and scholarship reductions. There is no way a total of three bowl bans and more scholarship reductions fits the crime here. If the allegations were presented right now, everyone would predict one bowl and some scholarships and be done. What Shapiro alleged and what's been proven are two different things. This whole thing hinges on LOIC, which it clearly was not.

What is amazing to me is how the Oregon situation is being viewed by the NCAA. Though they consider it "major violations" the NCAA is saying that Oregon likely wouldn't be charged with LOIC. So essentially, you have a school where the head coach and athletic department paid a guy to sway a player to sign with their school = not LOIC. You have a school where a rogue booster gave some benefits to some players behind the backs of the administration and the head coaches (possibly some knowledge by some assistants) = LOIC.

 

[NoahZach]

here are the 3 different scenarios this can end up

Scenario 1
NCAA has few internal hearings, and orders a thorough investigation in to the full Miami investigation. After that the NCAA settles with Miami. Miami gets probations, and few other small things here and there

Scenario 2
goes to COI, during the hearing allot comes out. turns out Miami is really guilty of violations and the NCAA is guilt of botching this and being unethical. Miami gets the chose 1. bowl ban + probation OR 2. probation + scholarship reduction + fines + forfeit loads of wins.


Scenario 3
NCAA pushes this. the COI sides with Enforcement and the NCAA decides to "stick together". Miami gets 1 more year + TV bans etc. Miami appeals, gets denied and takes it to court. after about 5-7 years the NCAA loses and Miami "wins"

i don't think anyone looking at this whole thing objectively would maintain that because the ncaa can't prove benefits, they did not occur (not that you suggest this, just prefacing my possible outcome). miami would not have self imposed what they did if they could not substantiate enough to fit the penalty in their mind. this does not excuse miami, and it does not excuse the enforcement arm of the ncaa. that being considered,

possible scenario 4:
everyone makes some concessions in a deal. the coi concedes that the process was handled soo poorly that moving forward the only further action will be a duration of probation.
miami agrees not to sue the NCAA's balls to the wall in exchange for reimbursement of legal fees.

Anyone looking at this objectively absolutely would say that what the NCAA cannot prove did not occur and, in fact, much of that has not even been charged. The COI is supposed to decide based upon proof.

Remember that, when Miami self-imposed the second time, the whole Perez fiasco has not blown up and evidence and charges had not yet been excluded. One of the issues that conceivably could arise is whether the evidence sufficiently will justify the self-imposed punishment if the COI rejects many of the actual charges for insufficient evidence.

 

[westcoastcanes]

here are the 3 different scenarios this can end up

Scenario 1
NCAA has few internal hearings, and orders a thorough investigation in to the full Miami investigation. After that the NCAA settles with Miami. Miami gets probations, and few other small things here and there

Scenario 2
goes to COI, during the hearing allot comes out. turns out Miami is really guilty of violations and the NCAA is guilt of botching this and being unethical. Miami gets the chose 1. bowl ban + probation OR 2. probation + scholarship reduction + fines + forfeit loads of wins.


Scenario 3
NCAA pushes this. the COI sides with Enforcement and the NCAA decides to "stick together". Miami gets 1 more year + TV bans etc. Miami appeals, gets denied and takes it to court. after about 5-7 years the NCAA loses and Miami "wins"

i don't think anyone looking at this whole thing objectively would maintain that because the ncaa can't prove benefits, they did not occur (not that you suggest this, just prefacing my possible outcome). miami would not have self imposed what they did if they could not substantiate enough to fit the penalty in their mind. this does not excuse miami, and it does not excuse the enforcement arm of the ncaa. that being considered,

possible scenario 4:
everyone makes some concessions in a deal. the coi concedes that the process was handled soo poorly that moving forward the only further action will be a duration of probation.
miami agrees not to sue the NCAA's balls to the wall in exchange for reimbursement of legal fees.

Anyone looking at this objectively absolutely would say that what the NCAA cannot prove did not occur and, in fact, much of that has not even been charged. The COI is supposed to decide based upon proof.

Remember that, when Miami self-imposed the second time, the whole Perez fiasco has not blown up and evidence and charges had not yet been excluded. One of the issues that conceivably could arise is whether the evidence sufficiently will justify the self-imposed punishment if the COI rejects many of the actual charges for insufficient evidence.

maybe you can show me what miami got from their interviews with the named offenders, because i havent seen it myself. anything they self imposed prior to receiving the NOA was based on what they felt they could substantiate, at least within reason, to them. there is a difference between what is right to punish, and what one believs happened, also. i don't think the ncaa has the right to punish for things that were admitted to with inadmissable evidence, but that doesn't change wether i think it happened or not, notice the difference between those two. the punishment self imposed, in all likelihood, fits the crime, but further punishment would not.

 

[Bigtip]

Proxy,
Slow down with some of those projections. Those last two you listed are way harsh. The NCAA really doesnt do the whole TV ban thing anymore.

they wont even try to give us another post season ban. GTFO

there are really 2 scenarios:

1. they give us no more punishment (or very light to save face)
2. they try to **** us (still wont be another bowl ban....just anything more than about 10 schollys) and we tell them to eat **** and take them to court

 

[NVA CANE]

Proxy,
Slow down with some of those projections. Those last two you listed are way harsh. The NCAA really doesnt do the whole TV ban thing anymore.

they wont even try to give us another post season ban. GTFO

there are really 2 scenarios:

1. they give us no more punishment (or very light to save face)
2. they try to **** us (still wont be another bowl ban....just anything more than about 10 schollys) and we tell them to eat **** and take them to court

Yep. A couple scholly loses probation and thats about it. It will be light enough that UM will accept while simultaneously allowing the ****** NCAA to save some face.

 

[Travis Bickle]

The Sun Sentinel has really become a good newspaper lately.

You can thank Michael Casagrande for that. They've been the laughingstock for years with Omar and Shandel. Finally got it right with Casagrande.