My take on what's going on behind the scenes

[dycane]

From what I can glean from recent NCAA actions and commentary from its President, and knowing how Donna operates, I think this is what may be happening.

I think UM has been working behind the scenes to negotiate a consent decree or settlement (whatever you want to call it) with the NCAA. I think UM already has the letter - no requirement to disclose it. Emmert has already shown that he's willing to circumvent the regular protocol and enter into consent decrees - see PSU. He's also, repeatedly, emphasized that the focus needs to shift to punishing the perpetrators, especially the coaches involved, rather than the athletes who were not involved in the transgressions - see Pearl and Tressel show cause orders. Donna is a political beast. I can see her, at the beginning of this process, telling Emmert that she will set a new standard in cooperation, but that she wants a quick resolution (i.e., agreement) on sanctions after the fact-finding process is over. I also think the NCAA has not only sent the letter, but has also, through back channels, suggested to Donna what may be coming down the pike. And I think right now her goal is to negotiate with the NCAA on an agreement, one which may lay the groundwork for future investigations. We shall see.

 

[AllbouttheU]

Not a bad take on it, pretty much agree.

 

[Ocane]

Your giving her too much credit. She has put the program in this situation, because she wanted to do everything on the cheap. She hired low end people, that will be her puppet. Since your totally guessing on the above I'm going to guess based on her previous actions that her primary interest is herself, not the program.

 

[aintnothangbutacane]

Wants to punish kids less and coaches more. Institutes Bowl Ban

 

[Canething]

It sounds good, but will probably never know. I hope that UM is fully engaged with the NCAA , and knows exactly what sanctions are coming. Golden today sounded like a coach that knows what to expect, as he gets ready for scholarship reductions.

 

[porterhouse77]

Your giving her too much credit. She has put the program in this situation, because she wanted to do everything on the cheap. She hired low end people, that will be her puppet. Since your totally guessing on the above I'm going to guess based on her previous actions that her primary interest is herself, not the program.

Whether or not you like Shalala, and question how much she cares about the program look at what she's done for the university. She has built this into a great institution. You know what played a huge part in that? The exposure of the football program. She's not stupid, she does not hire "puppets" as you say. She is a **** good leader and to say that her interest is in herself when shes helped raise millions and millions of dollars for the school and even some for the football program is asinine.

She knows how to play the system and I guarantee you is doing everything she can to keep us in the best position forward to make more money so that the school can continue to grow as well as the football program.

 

[skyman]

Your giving her too much credit. She has put the program in this situation, because she wanted to do everything on the cheap. She hired low end people, that will be her puppet. Since your totally guessing on the above I'm going to guess based on her previous actions that her primary interest is herself, not the program.

Agreed, I dont really have a problem with Donna and what she has done with the university overall is great and appreciated but as far as athletics she is flat out terrible. I understand its not her priority also but soo many examples at failure from the administration to take a program like miami and a great brand and basically have it on life support at the moment. I wonder if one of the advisers is that headhunter who searched high and low and told her to sign randy shannon off a failed staff. Atleast then he could earn the money given to him.

 

[sebastian0]

All things aside then, when do you think we will final,ynhear about the sanctions? Fear of the unknown hurts so much.... Especially recruiting

 

[Hurrikane]

From what I can glean from recent NCAA actions and commentary from its President, and knowing how Donna operates, I think this is what may be happening.

I think UM has been working behind the scenes to negotiate a consent decree or settlement (whatever you want to call it) with the NCAA. I think UM already has the letter - no requirement to disclose it. Emmert has already shown that he's willing to circumvent the regular protocol and enter into consent decrees - see PSU. He's also, repeatedly, emphasized that the focus needs to shift to punishing the perpetrators, especially the coaches involved, rather than the athletes who were not involved in the transgressions - see Pearl and Tressel show cause orders. Donna is a political beast. I can see her, at the beginning of this process, telling Emmert that she will set a new standard in cooperation, but that she wants a quick resolution (i.e., agreement) on sanctions after the fact-finding process is over. I also think the NCAA has not only sent the letter, but has also, through back channels, suggested to Donna what may be coming down the pike. And I think right now her goal is to negotiate with the NCAA on an agreement, one which may lay the groundwork for future investigations. We shall see.

Great post.

 

[JefeGringo]

I agree 100% with what you say and based on tone, body language, and Golden speaking in the past tense about things, I think UM is fully aware of what is going to happen and Golden has a plan in place to deal with the rest of our sanctions. We will go through the process but I believe we already know what will happen and how.

 

[datcaneguy]

Yep

Except this Shalala is one of the most powerful women in America. She already knows what's going on and has already told the NCAA whats going to happen.

Y'all seriously don't understand how powerful this **** is.

There is not another school in the next few state boundaries that are as high on the academic list as we are bcuz of her.

This **** had Shapiro moved to the prison of her choice man. This **** is the real deal don't **** with her.

Griselda Blanco

 

[DeadPoets]

Duke Johnson says, "I don't care about no sanctions. Just kickoff and let's go"

 

[FloppyBootStomp]

I really doubt pretty much all of that. But it would be nice.

 

[Andrew]

The sanctions have to go through the infractions committee. PSU did the consent decree to avoid a 4 year death penalty. I think the school knows what it did wrong and probably has an idea on the punishment. I think there is a very good chance this is the last of the bowl bans but I would expect scholarships reductions.

 

[DFT31J]

I agree 100% with what you say and based on tone, body language, and Golden speaking in the past tense about things, I think UM is fully aware of what is going to happen and Golden has a plan in place to deal with the rest of our sanctions. We will go through the process but I believe we already know what will happen and how.

No question about it. You could see when Golden mentioned that he's already factored in scholarship reductions that he realized he may have revealed a little too much about what the administration actually knows.

 

[CaneDaddy]

The sanctions have to go through the infractions committee. PSU did the consent decree to avoid a 4 year death penalty. I think the school knows what it did wrong and probably has an idea on the punishment. I think there is a very good chance this is the last of the bowl bans but I would expect scholarships reductions.

Agree with this statement. There is a reason we are paying Mike Glazier.

 

[DapperSlapper]

From what I can glean from recent NCAA actions and commentary from its President, and knowing how Donna operates, I think this is what may be happening.

I think UM has been working behind the scenes to negotiate a consent decree or settlement (whatever you want to call it) with the NCAA. I think UM already has the letter - no requirement to disclose it. Emmert has already shown that he's willing to circumvent the regular protocol and enter into consent decrees - see PSU. He's also, repeatedly, emphasized that the focus needs to shift to punishing the perpetrators, especially the coaches involved, rather than the athletes who were not involved in the transgressions - see Pearl and Tressel show cause orders. Donna is a political beast. I can see her, at the beginning of this process, telling Emmert that she will set a new standard in cooperation, but that she wants a quick resolution (i.e., agreement) on sanctions after the fact-finding process is over. I also think the NCAA has not only sent the letter, but has also, through back channels, suggested to Donna what may be coming down the pike. And I think right now her goal is to negotiate with the NCAA on an agreement, one which may lay the groundwork for future investigations. We shall see.

Emmert had to get authority for what happened with PSU from a joint motion by the NCAA Executive Committee and the Division I Board of Directors. You can see how that was done by looking at this:

http://ncaa.s3.amazonaws.com/files/20120723/BOARD_EC MOTION.pdf

That is not happening again any time soon.

The only way for UM to get the quick resolution to which you refer is via a summary disposition, which requires all involved parties to agree. Given the "shift" to punishing coaches, it is extremely unlikely that all involved individuals agree to summary disposition along with UM.

The NCAA has no way to communicate what is coming down the pike. The investigation is done by NCAA Enforcement. Enforcement has no say in sanctions. Sanctions are determined by the COI. The COI has no way to say what is coming down the pike because they know less than UM does about the investigation on an ongoing basis.

Emmert also has zero involvement in sanctions. Everyone likes to just say "NCAA" this or that, but there are different subdivisions of the NCAA, and each has its own job. Enforcement are full time employees. The COI is made up of volunteers - they are not likely to feel pressured into doing anything. The NCAA does not sign their checks.

I do believe UM may be rewriting how to conduct these investigations, and I am pleased that they have had the courage to do things differently from how others have done them. If all clients had that same ability to think, my job as an attorney would be far easier.

 

[dycane]

From what I can glean from recent NCAA actions and commentary from its President, and knowing how Donna operates, I think this is what may be happening.

I think UM has been working behind the scenes to negotiate a consent decree or settlement (whatever you want to call it) with the NCAA. I think UM already has the letter - no requirement to disclose it. Emmert has already shown that he's willing to circumvent the regular protocol and enter into consent decrees - see PSU. He's also, repeatedly, emphasized that the focus needs to shift to punishing the perpetrators, especially the coaches involved, rather than the athletes who were not involved in the transgressions - see Pearl and Tressel show cause orders. Donna is a political beast. I can see her, at the beginning of this process, telling Emmert that she will set a new standard in cooperation, but that she wants a quick resolution (i.e., agreement) on sanctions after the fact-finding process is over. I also think the NCAA has not only sent the letter, but has also, through back channels, suggested to Donna what may be coming down the pike. And I think right now her goal is to negotiate with the NCAA on an agreement, one which may lay the groundwork for future investigations. We shall see.

Emmert had to get authority for what happened with PSU from a joint motion by the NCAA Executive Committee and the Division I Board of Directors. You can see how that was done by looking at this:

http://ncaa.s3.amazonaws.com/files/20120723/BOARD_EC MOTION.pdf

That is not happening again any time soon.

The only way for UM to get the quick resolution to which you refer is via a summary disposition, which requires all involved parties to agree. Given the "shift" to punishing coaches, it is extremely unlikely that all involved individuals agree to summary disposition along with UM.

The NCAA has no way to communicate what is coming down the pike. The investigation is done by NCAA Enforcement. Enforcement has no say in sanctions. Sanctions are determined by the COI. The COI has no way to say what is coming down the pike because they know less than UM does about the investigation on an ongoing basis.

Emmert also has zero involvement in sanctions. Everyone likes to just say "NCAA" this or that, but there are different subdivisions of the NCAA, and each has its own job. Enforcement are full time employees. The COI is made up of volunteers - they are not likely to feel pressured into doing anything. The NCAA does not sign their checks.

I do believe UM may be rewriting how to conduct these investigations, and I am pleased that they have had the courage to do things differently from how others have done them. If all clients had that same ability to think, my job as an attorney would be far easier.

Thanks for the insight. I was aware of the separate duties of Enforcement and COI, but you brought some clarity to the subject. I have not, however, seen to date any NCAA rule that would prevent a summary disposition in this case; nor do I think that a summary disposition must include final disposition of actions against individuals no longer employed by the university, e.g. Frank Haith, Aubrey Hill and Clint Hurtt.

I also think it's somewhat naive to think that there's no way for the NCAA to communicate what is coming down the pike in terms of findings, which are inextricably linked to sanctions. As a lawyer (and I'm sure you're a very good one), you know that back channel communication happens in almost every space, whether or not it is ostensibly prohibited, often as a means of rewarding courtesies and cooperation. I think you're off if you think that the NCAA could not or would not give Donna a heads up on Enforcement's findings as the process unfolded and prior to receiving the letter.

And I also think that this is a new era for the NCAA, which very recently approved additional stipends for players and multi-years scholarships. If recent history has taught us anything, it has taught us that Emmert is willing and capable of working within the ambiguities of NCAA protocol to come up with unique resolutions and platforms. So, while there may not be a "consent decree" in form, the end result of what might be happening is similar in effect.

This is of course just pure conjecture, though informed conjecture to some extent. Knowing Donna as I do professionally, I would be absolutely shocked if she didn't at least try to reach some type of tacit agreement in terms of reciprocal cooperation and confidential disclosure.

 

[hawaiicane]

From what I can glean from recent NCAA actions and commentary from its President, and knowing how Donna operates, I think this is what may be happening.

I think UM has been working behind the scenes to negotiate a consent decree or settlement (whatever you want to call it) with the NCAA. I think UM already has the letter - no requirement to disclose it. Emmert has already shown that he's willing to circumvent the regular protocol and enter into consent decrees - see PSU. He's also, repeatedly, emphasized that the focus needs to shift to punishing the perpetrators, especially the coaches involved, rather than the athletes who were not involved in the transgressions - see Pearl and Tressel show cause orders. Donna is a political beast. I can see her, at the beginning of this process, telling Emmert that she will set a new standard in cooperation, but that she wants a quick resolution (i.e., agreement) on sanctions after the fact-finding process is over. I also think the NCAA has not only sent the letter, but has also, through back channels, suggested to Donna what may be coming down the pike. And I think right now her goal is to negotiate with the NCAA on an agreement, one which may lay the groundwork for future investigations. We shall see.

Emmert had to get authority for what happened with PSU from a joint motion by the NCAA Executive Committee and the Division I Board of Directors. You can see how that was done by looking at this:

http://ncaa.s3.amazonaws.com/files/20120723/BOARD_EC MOTION.pdf

That is not happening again any time soon.

The only way for UM to get the quick resolution to which you refer is via a summary disposition, which requires all involved parties to agree. Given the "shift" to punishing coaches, it is extremely unlikely that all involved individuals agree to summary disposition along with UM.

The NCAA has no way to communicate what is coming down the pike. The investigation is done by NCAA Enforcement. Enforcement has no say in sanctions. Sanctions are determined by the COI. The COI has no way to say what is coming down the pike because they know less than UM does about the investigation on an ongoing basis.

Emmert also has zero involvement in sanctions. Everyone likes to just say "NCAA" this or that, but there are different subdivisions of the NCAA, and each has its own job. Enforcement are full time employees. The COI is made up of volunteers - they are not likely to feel pressured into doing anything. The NCAA does not sign their checks.

I do believe UM may be rewriting how to conduct these investigations, and I am pleased that they have had the courage to do things differently from how others have done them. If all clients had that same ability to think, my job as an attorney would be far easier.

Hold up. You speak as if there is an iron wall between NCAA Enforcement and COI. Are you saying that these guys dont talk to each other, even informally? That COI has no idea what the allegations are likely to be? I find this extremely unlikely. I've worked in an organization that spans thousands, including work that is deemed "confidential" and yet I hear things from "subdivisions" that have nothing to do with what my job. And yes, even volunteers and interns at that place were privy to "inside" information.

BTW, How is the COI chosen? Who nominates these "volunteers"?

I also find it extremely unlikely that Emmert has "zero involvement" or that he can't exert influence.

You have probably outlined the de jure structure of what is "supposed" to be. But is this real life?

 

[CaneDaddy]

The sanctions have to go through the infractions committee. PSU did the consent decree to avoid a 4 year death penalty. I think the school knows what it did wrong and probably has an idea on the punishment. I think there is a very good chance this is the last of the bowl bans but I would expect scholarships reductions.

Agree with this statement. There is a reason we are paying Mike Glazier.

Who is this Mike Glazier you speak of?

He is an attorney that is basically an NCAA middle man for colleges/universities. He used to be partners with Mike Slive and is a former NCAA investigator. He has gotten some schools off and negotiated some good deals.

I am not saying he is calling the shots but we arent making decisions without his okay. He knows whats coming and what is best for the university. Dude is getting paid very, very good money.