Miami went 0-20 on NSD

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“Out of 20 prospects listed above, InsideTheU is under the impression that at least six of them had at one time given the Hurricanes some type of silent verbal commitment including Bogle. Obviously we're in an era of recruiting where kids change their minds every other day, but going nearly 0-for-20 on some of your top targets simply isn't going to work.”-Andrew Ivins

I didn’t expect 2019 to be like storm 18, I did however expect 2019 class to be a stop gap year, I knew we wouldn’t replicate that magic from last year because of the 3 game losing streak in 2017, but I thought we would plug in a Tyrique Stevenson or Frank Ladson or a player of that caliber here and there, but instead we go 0-20. Jesus this is bad, a lot of people including me wanted Cristobal here badly, because in CFB almost 70% of a team’s success is built through the players recruited. I wanted someone who would change that culture of being plan B... I’m excited about Manny hiring so far but I can’t help but think of the mountain this man has to climb now because of all the stupid s—t that could’ve been avoided months before this, Ivins said if fixing Miami offense is #1 priority. Then #2 should be recruiting, at this point I don’t know where to begin, on one hand Miami can push the restart button with class of 2020, restart everything from evaluations to new recruitments, and with a new staff this could be used as an excuse for not offering a kid straight after peewee football. Only kids locked in with us can visit campus numerous times too. Honestly there’s so many things that need fixing, at this point we can either open up our check books and hire a staff of the nations top recruiters. 1 of Clemson OC’s (the better recruiter), Seider, Tee Martin, Trooper Taylor etc. Or we hire up and coming coaches who are analytically & schematically ahead of the game in terms of offense, win some games and hope that 2020 & 2021 is different. Or we get into the Bag Game, either way, something has to change. Restoring Miami’s recruiting is Manny’s first real test.
 
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One of my 2019 cane resolutions is to refrain from speaking ill on Mark Richt now that he is retired but Jesus Christ man some of these things COULD HAVE & SHOULD HAVE been avoided. We should’ve offered Dunmore a long time ago, now we have no Dunmore and no Haselwood, we spent all of our frequent flyer miles on Micheal Johnson, instead of fielding any other QB, Now we have no QBs in this class, we should’ve told either Bogle or Tyrique to commit now or be left out of the class, at least we would’ve known their answer weeks ago, same for Brownlee and same for Anthony Solomon, matter of fact our LB recruitment should’ve been handled better regardless if Pickney and Shaq were coming back or not, there were several steps and patterns that doomed this recruiting cycle and that’s not including going 7-6. Manny needs to prioritize recruiting next year and we cannot repeat the same mistakes.
 
“Out of 20 prospects listed above, InsideTheU is under the impression that at least six of them had at one time given the Hurricanes some type of silent verbal commitment including Bogle. Obviously we're in an era of recruiting where kids change their minds every other day, but going nearly 0-for-20 on some of your top targets simply isn't going to work.”-Andrew Ivins

I didn’t expect 2019 to be like storm 18, I did however expect 2019 class to be a stop gap year, I knew we wouldn’t replicate that magic from last year because of the 3 game losing streak in 2017, but I thought we would plug in a Tyrique Stevenson or Frank Ladson or a player of that caliber here and there, but instead we go 0-20. Jesus this is bad, a lot of people including me wanted Cristobal here badly, because in CFB almost 70% of a team’s success is built through the players recruited. I wanted someone who would change that culture of being plan B... I’m excited about Manny hiring so far but I can’t help but think of the mountain this man has to climb now because of all the stupid s—t that could’ve been avoided months before this, Ivins said if fixing Miami offense is #1 priority. Then #2 should be recruiting, at this point I don’t know where to begin, on one hand Miami can push the restart button with class of 2020, restart everything from evaluations to new recruitments, and with a new staff this could be used as an excuse for not offering a kid straight after peewee football. Only kids locked in with us can visit campus numerous times too. Honestly there’s so many things that need fixing, at this point we can either open up our check books and hire a staff of the nations top recruiters. 1 of Clemson OC’s (the better recruiter), Seider, Tee Martin, Trooper Taylor etc. Or we hire up and coming coaches who are analytically & schematically ahead of the game in terms of offense, win some games and hope that 2020 & 2021 is different. Or we get into the Bag Game, either way, something has to change. Restoring Miami’s recruiting is Manny’s first real test.
I agree with you OP. But more importantly after fixing the offense is to just fvckng win.
 
Diaz seems pretty intent on using creativity and analytics to win more games, then enjoying the recruiting bump that consistently winning brings us. We're not where we are because we've recruited poorly, we're hear because we've schemed and strategized poorly. Miami typically pulls in a class around #15 in the country, but regularly wins 7 or 8 games and finishes well below that mark in the polls. Our inefficiency clearly lies in not maximizing the talent on hand, so the staff should be optimized, at least initially, for improving in that area. Also, we do not, have never, and will never have the kind of money to recruit at a Top 10 level while sucking ***. Leave that to the Texas A&Ms and Tennessees of the world. Lets just win some real games, then see about winning recruiting games.
 
Diaz seems pretty intent on using creativity and analytics to win more games, then enjoying the recruiting bump that consistently winning brings us. We're not where we are because we've recruited poorly, we're hear because we've schemed and strategized poorly. Miami typically pulls in a class around #15 in the country, but regularly wins 7 or 8 games and finishes well below that mark in the polls. Our inefficiency clearly lies in not maximizing the talent on hand, so the staff should be optimized, at least initially, for improving in that area. Also, we do not, have never, and will never have the kind of money to recruit at a Top 10 level while sucking ***. Leave that to the Texas A&Ms and Tennessees of the world. Lets just win some real games, then see about winning recruiting games.
This is why I’m not opposed to Manny bringing guys who are analytically driven or football smart, I didn’t mind the applewhite hiring if he truly has what it takes to exploit SF speed and run a spread offense, I’ve been saying for a while Miami needs to take that 2008-2012 Clemson route. Use all of our resources & improve development of our players and then later sign monster classes. I’m not opposed to Miami hiring a bunch of recruiting mercenaries as well, whatever it takes to get this program back to National spotlight.
 
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dont expect to pull anyone going 7-6. need to win consistently. regardless of what we think fo richt, he at least won 10 games on average at UGA and smart followed that up with 8, 12, 11. we went 9,10,7. we needed an 11 win season to at least not have the amount of losses that we had. kids wanna see that were for real. now that 7 win season may actually lead to a better future considering the issues we had on offense and strategy which wasn't going to change under richt. lets hope this **** year on and off the field was worth it
 
Diaz seems pretty intent on using creativity and analytics to win more games, then enjoying the recruiting bump that consistently winning brings us. We're not where we are because we've recruited poorly, we're hear because we've schemed and strategized poorly. Miami typically pulls in a class around #15 in the country, but regularly wins 7 or 8 games and finishes well below that mark in the polls. Our inefficiency clearly lies in not maximizing the talent on hand, so the staff should be optimized, at least initially, for improving in that area. Also, we do not, have never, and will never have the kind of money to recruit at a Top 10 level while sucking ***. Leave that to the Texas A&Ms and Tennessees of the world. Lets just win some real games, then see about winning recruiting games.

Which means he’s going to put a emphasis on evals which is what we should’ve been doing from the beginning. That’s why there’s a huge drop off on O and not the D...Diaz put a big emphasis on evals and finding guys real early.
 
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dont expect to pull anyone going 7-6. need to win consistently. regardless of what we think fo richt, he at least won 10 games on average at UGA and smart followed that up with 8, 12, 11. we went 9,10,7. we needed an 11 win season to at least not have the amount of losses that we had. kids wanna see that were for real. now that 7 win season may actually lead to a better future considering the issues we had on offense and strategy which wasn't going to change under richt. lets hope this **** year on and off the field was worth it
  • 2018 FSU (5-7) - #17 2019 Class
  • 2017 Texas (7-6) - #3 2018 Class
  • 2017 FSU (7-6) - #11 2018 Class
  • 2017 Oregon (7-6) - #13 2018 Class
  • 2017 Florida (4-7) - #14 2018 Class
  • 2017 Texas A&M (7-6) - #17 2018 Class
  • 2017 UCLA (6-7) - #19 2018 Class
  • 2017 UNC (3-9) - #20 2018 Class
  • 2017 Tennessee (4-8) - #21 2018 Class
  • 2017 Nebraska (4-8) - #23 2018 Class
  • 2016 Notre Dame (4-8) - #10 2017 Class
  • 2016 Maryland (6-7) - #18 2017 Class
  • 2016 Oregon (4-8) - #19 2017 Class
  • 2016 UCLA (4-8) - #20 2017 Class
  • 2016 South Carolina (6-7) - #21 2017 Class
  • 2016 Texas (5-7) - #25 2017 Class
All of these teams were 7-6 or worse and had(/have) top 25 classes. Recruiting just isn't the same for Miami. Obviously winning consistently will help, but I don't think is the cure all that some on here make it out to be. There needs to be a change in recruiting philosophy.
 
Have to win 1st that is your best recruiter it shows recruits alot and it gives the team exposure. Recruit nationally the recruits in south Florida are great but honestly too many of them have a very soft mentality and it's more about bandwagoning to them and if you dont have the right mix of strong mentalities on the team ultimately your team will be weak. If Coach Diaz gets the right offensive staff
and I believe he we'll I think it's going to open up a bigger talent pool nation wide we can choose from instead of depending on these guys who want to bandwagon. I'm not saying dont recruit your base I'm saying we have to get to where were not depending on a guy to committ who has been on campus all summer and fall and to home games and claim they have no clue where there going.
 
Diaz seems pretty intent on using creativity and analytics to win more games, then enjoying the recruiting bump that consistently winning brings us. We're not where we are because we've recruited poorly, we're hear because we've schemed and strategized poorly. Miami typically pulls in a class around #15 in the country, but regularly wins 7 or 8 games and finishes well below that mark in the polls. Our inefficiency clearly lies in not maximizing the talent on hand, so the staff should be optimized, at least initially, for improving in that area. Also, we do not, have never, and will never have the kind of money to recruit at a Top 10 level while sucking ***. Leave that to the Texas A&Ms and Tennessees of the world. Lets just win some real games, then see about winning recruiting games.

Maybe just maybe he knows something that we don't know.
 
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One of my 2019 cane resolutions is to refrain from speaking ill on Mark Richt now that he is retired but Jesus Christ man some of these things COULD HAVE & SHOULD HAVE been avoided. We should’ve offered Dunmore a long time ago, now we have no Dunmore and no Haselwood, we spent all of our frequent flyer miles on Micheal Johnson, instead of fielding any other QB, Now we have no QBs in this class, we should’ve told either Bogle or Tyrique to commit now or be left out of the class, at least we would’ve known their answer weeks ago, same for Brownlee and same for Anthony Solomon, matter of fact our LB recruitment should’ve been handled better regardless if Pickney and Shaq were coming back or not, there were several steps and patterns that doomed this recruiting cycle and that’s not including going 7-6. Manny needs to prioritize recruiting next year and we cannot repeat the same mistakes.

Who are the boss hawg recruiters on this staff again because I don’t see any and that’s including twitter fingers Banda
 
  • 2018 FSU (5-7) - #17 2019 Class
  • 2017 Texas (7-6) - #3 2018 Class
  • 2017 FSU (7-6) - #11 2018 Class
  • 2017 Oregon (7-6) - #13 2018 Class
  • 2017 Florida (4-7) - #14 2018 Class
  • 2017 Texas A&M (7-6) - #17 2018 Class
  • 2017 UCLA (6-7) - #19 2018 Class
  • 2017 UNC (3-9) - #20 2018 Class
  • 2017 Tennessee (4-8) - #21 2018 Class
  • 2017 Nebraska (4-8) - #23 2018 Class
  • 2016 Notre Dame (4-8) - #10 2017 Class
  • 2016 Maryland (6-7) - #18 2017 Class
  • 2016 Oregon (4-8) - #19 2017 Class
  • 2016 UCLA (4-8) - #20 2017 Class
  • 2016 South Carolina (6-7) - #21 2017 Class
  • 2016 Texas (5-7) - #25 2017 Class
All of these teams were 7-6 or worse and had(/have) top 25 classes. Recruiting just isn't the same for Miami. Obviously winning consistently will help, but I don't think is the cure all that some on here make it out to be. There needs to be a change in recruiting philosophy.

Thank you for posting the numbers. Some these kids have no intentions of signing here and will string um along even if we are undefeated. It’s the coaches job to figure out who is the duke Johnson or josh jobe.
 
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  • 2018 FSU (5-7) - #17 2019 Class
  • 2017 Texas (7-6) - #3 2018 Class
  • 2017 FSU (7-6) - #11 2018 Class
  • 2017 Oregon (7-6) - #13 2018 Class
  • 2017 Florida (4-7) - #14 2018 Class
  • 2017 Texas A&M (7-6) - #17 2018 Class
  • 2017 UCLA (6-7) - #19 2018 Class
  • 2017 UNC (3-9) - #20 2018 Class
  • 2017 Tennessee (4-8) - #21 2018 Class
  • 2017 Nebraska (4-8) - #23 2018 Class
  • 2016 Notre Dame (4-8) - #10 2017 Class
  • 2016 Maryland (6-7) - #18 2017 Class
  • 2016 Oregon (4-8) - #19 2017 Class
  • 2016 UCLA (4-8) - #20 2017 Class
  • 2016 South Carolina (6-7) - #21 2017 Class
  • 2016 Texas (5-7) - #25 2017 Class
All of these teams were 7-6 or worse and had(/have) top 25 classes. Recruiting just isn't the same for Miami. Obviously winning consistently will help, but I don't think is the cure all that some on here make it out to be. There needs to be a change in recruiting philosophy.
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Truth of the matter is we hype some of these recruits up too much. Look at Ladson for an example


Yeah most of this board just looks at stars and that's it. And then laughs at me and others whose rankings deviate from the lists.

You can go back and find my posts on Ladson. He's big and fast - that's it. I compared him to Martavis Bryant. I'd have taken him as a situational deep threat who can stretch the defense vertically with a free release from the slot. But I don't get worked up when these role players don't sign.

Haselwood is another one I just don't get. Solid player, high floor but there are dudes calling him a generational prospect and comparing him to Julio Jones. I don't see the physical traits of a high-end NFL WR. In college he'll be a good possession receiver and reel in the contested catches but in the pros he's gonna struggle to separate.

The big misses are Neal, Stevenson, Battle, Solomon, Zipperer. Losing McIntosh and Ingraham was also rough. Missing that many top guys is unacceptable for sure.

But as far as I'm concerned we got 2 5* kids in Payton and Huff plus guys like Harvey and Smith who have a chance to reach that level. So it's not like the class is devoid of top talent.
 
I, personally, think that these young cats in SFla are taught, instilled, and live the "get the bag by any means" mentality.

They wanna give their parents/mom/family a way out and tend to seek the fastest way to do it. Heck I was a teen, I get it, I couldn't imagine everyone saying, thinking, hoping and believing that YOU going to be and WILL BE that way out. They make "business" decisions with that mentality.

Good guidance, which I get a lot don't have, goes a loooooong way. Not saying i think that's the ONLY reason we've struck out, coaches share in that blame as well...Just hate that it's been that way. That's why we appreciate the DeeJay Dallas' of the world, the cats that's down no question. Those are rare nowadays...guys that dream of going to that school and get the opportunity and don't waste it. I believe I read a story or two this cycle of a cat or two that committed and didn't waiver one bit...one dude shut everything else down (albeit one of the lesser talked about recruits)...We LOVE that...just don't see it often, especially 'round here. *sigh*

I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir and it's been said ad nauseum but, just my opinion. Want it to be different round here is all. We all do! I was just telling my bro in law "I couldn't tell you the ugly/crazy things I'd do to see us in the Clemson/Bama/Okla mold" Hope Manny is the guy to change this. He seems like it, he's enthused about it, I'ma support!! Sorry for the rant.

It's ALL about this U!!


we'll be back, I know we will...
 
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