Matt Porter: Dan Mullen has interviewed for the Job

7 out of the top 10 teams run a pro style offense. I don't want an offense that requires a special talent at QB for it to be any good.

Some of us tried to tell people this a few weeks ago. The spread gimmick teams that don't play defense are almost all out of the playoff picture.

3 of the last 4 teams to play in the national title game were spread offenses (Oregon, Ohio State and Auburn).

Two lost, and the one that won plays defense. Try to read the whole post.

I read the whole post. I'm talking about the spread part. You're against the spread, which you've railed against. 3 of the last 4 teams to play in the national title game run a version of the spread. That's a fact. You counter that with, "2 of them lost." Get the **** out of here.
 
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Mark Schlabach ‏@Mark_Schlabach 11m11 minutes ago
Can confirm with @ClowESPN that Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen has talked with Miami officials in the last 24 hours about job
 
I'm just happy we're actually conducting a somewhat thorough search. My apologies to Blake.
 
Don't you guys get it. There are certain people on this board who don't want Butch so bad that they will big up ANY name. They will make you believe that willie taggert is a great hire because of what he's doing at USF.

Do we really have people arguing that Mullen is a better hire then Butch because he treaded water in the sec?? And he gets kudos because he did it in the sec and in the state of miss? Sorry. The guy had one good season in 5 years. IDGAF what the circumstances are..ONE good season in 5 years!

How many good years has Butch had in the past 15 years?

How many did Butch have at UNC?

F that. WE KNOW what butch can do. Idgaf how long ago it was. HE DID IT! He built nothing into something THREE TIMES. (Canes, Browns, UNC) IDGAF how long ago it was. If you smashed Beyoncé when she was 18 you saying that **** don't count now because it was 15 years ago?? You not going to give props to that?

I know one thing..Mullen NEVER did it. You are hanging your hat on hope and BS analytics of what he could do.

LOL

So, Butch gets credit for building UNC ... But Mullen doesn't get credit for Miss State??

LOL

And no, I don't brag about women from 15 years ago, or anything else fro 15 years ago ... The only guys still bragging about accomplishments from 15 years ago are guys who haven't accomplished anything since then.

Except......Mullen hasn't accomplished anything. Send him to Illinois since he is a master at turning bad programs into 6th place finishers.

Team was ranked number 1 for 4 weeks last season ...

Folks are giving Butch credit for what he did 15 years ago, but Mullen can't get credit for what he did 13 months ago?

LOL
 
7 out of the top 10 teams run a pro style offense. I don't want an offense that requires a special talent at QB for it to be any good.

Some of us tried to tell people this a few weeks ago. The spread gimmick teams that don't play defense are almost all out of the playoff picture.

3 of the last 4 teams to play in the national title game were spread offenses (Oregon, Ohio State and Auburn).

And two will probably be in the playoffs this season -- Oklahoma and Clemson.

And that same OU "gimmicky" spread took Alabama (a team that is known for its defense) to the woodshed two years back in the Sugar Bowl.

Pro style works. Spread works. People really reach for things when trying to defend a position someone else disagrees with.
 
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1. Yes, we know how the Butch process works at Miami...when he's in his 40's. He was 49 his final season here. If we're being honest, a 64 y/o coach returning to a school 15 years later, after being out of coaching for 5 seasons, is worrisome. I mean, I know Howard Schnellenberger's process works here, too, but I don't want to hire him. Butch brings question marks like Mullen.

This is a big deal. South Carolina has been MURDERED on the recruiting trail for Spurrier's age over the last three season. Coaches will neg recruit the **** out of Miami -- because unless the guy plans on coaching until he's 68, Butch won't be coaching the kids he signs in his first class when they're seniors.

There's just too much unknown with Butch. His results at UNC were "meh" and he built Miami into a juggernaut when he was a younger guy. There's no indication he can do it again, and that uncertainty is enough for me.
 
I'm not saying he's a jimmy Johnson or anything like that. But when you go look at Jimmy before he came to Miami vs. what Mullen did at Miss St, there are some parallels. Both were smaller fish in a bigger pond but did improve the program while they were there. I think it's possible he could be a very good hire.
 
Team was ranked number 1 for 4 weeks last season ...

Folks are giving Butch credit for what he did 15 years ago, but Mullen can't get credit for what he did 13 months ago?

LOL

Being ranked #1 in October isn't an "accomplishment".
 
1. Yes, we know how the Butch process works at Miami...when he's in his 40's. He was 49 his final season here. If we're being honest, a 64 y/o coach returning to a school 15 years later, after being out of coaching for 5 seasons, is worrisome. I mean, I know Howard Schnellenberger's process works here, too, but I don't want to hire him. Butch brings question marks like Mullen.

They all bring question marks. The age is certainly a risk for Butch, but I'm not that concerned because he's still young enough (same age as Saban, Carroll, Belichick, etc.) and we need to win now. Butch never won a championship and he is desperate for one.

2. Worrying about a fit with the QBs on the roster is kind of short-sighted. You can't make a coaching decision based on personnel that will be here possibly one more year at most. If a guy is it good coach you bring him in and let him build the roster and program for the future. This would be similar to UF shying away from Meyer because they only had Leak at the time. He found his QB. The rest is history.

I would agree if this was a rebuild. But this is a turnkey job with a QB projected by several analysts as a first round pick. We would likely be at least a year away from signing a big time mobile QB. The fanbase is dying for a winner. Do you think people will have three or four years of patience?

3. Dan Mullen has a high ceiling. He's only 43. He's still evolving as a head coach and all he's done his whole career is engineer great offenses, tutor award-winning QBs, and turn a doormat team into a viable program. This isn't Al Golden winning 8 games at Temple; he took MSU to a BCS Bowl game and had them ranked [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] during that season. They're ranked again. He's doing this at a severe talent disadvantage compared to 4 of the teams in his own division.

Any good coach at Miami has a high ceiling. Butch built the best team of all time. That's a high ceiling, too. I respect the job Mullen has done at Mississippi State, but let's not overstate that temporary #1 ranking. Golden and Shannon had Miami ranked in the Top 10. Mullen finished that year getting handled by his rival and Georgia Tech.

4. As for his defense, I'm wiping away his first year because I'd do the same with all coaches walking into a disaster. From 2010-Present, his total defenses have averaged a ranking of 49th. Slightly above average. Now, keep in mind his defensive coordinator Goeff Collins was highly-coveted and plucked away by UF because nobody wants to coach or play in Starksville.

I go by yards per play (which doesn't factor in the slow pace of many SEC teams). His teams have been mediocre to bad in that category. His likely DC, Manny Diaz, was run out of Texas. We don't just need decent defense. We need a defensive revolution. It's been the plague of this program. I'm not sure Mullen gets us there.

5. Back to the QB issue, I'd argue Mullen is a great fit for Miami. The state of Florida is largely comprised of dual-threat QBs. Mullen's entire career has consisted of him turning these types of QBs into All-Americans capable of leading top offenses. Yes, he's a spread formation guy, but he still leans heavily on a power run game. He gets a lot of weapons involved and he spreads the field and knows how to use spacing and speed to kill a defense.

See #2 . I'm sure he'd eventually get a guy to run his offense. But fans may have burned down his house by then. The Mullen QB isn't on the roster and he will struggle to sign him this year. So you are talking about a true freshman in 2017.

We can't underestimate the need for instant success given our existing talent and growing irrelevance.

6. He's got a better record than both Jimmy and Dennis before they were hired. I like to look past that and consider where they're coach, the competition, their style of play, etc. If CIS was around when JJ was hired we would've laughed at his best season being 8-4.

I don't question Mullen as a coach. He's good. But I question the fit and the timing.
 
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Posted this in another thread. Mullen is an interesting name but I have reservations.

Mullen is a good coach. But I have two major concerns regarding his fit at Miami:

1) Can he fix the defense?

Mullen's defenses at Mississippi State have been pretty crappy. Aside from a very good season in 2011 with Fletcher Cox and two NFL corners, here are MSU's ranks in defensive yards-per-play under Mullen:

2015- 54th
2014- 72nd
2013- 70th
2012- 58th
2010- 40th
2009- 82nd

It's not impossible to build a strong defense in Starksville. Jackie Sherrill had some killer units in the late '90s. But Mullen hasn't done it.

Also, many posters have justifiably criticized Charlie Strong for his defensive failures at Texas. Are the same people ready to hitch their wagon to Manny Diaz?

2) How long before he finds "his type of QB?"

It's no secret that Mullen's offense works best with a certain type of QB- a strong, powerful runner who can also throw. Those guys are hard to find. It took Mullen five years to uncover Dak Prescott.

Even at Florida, Mullen struggled to adapt to Chris Leak. The offense fell off significantly when Mullen took over for Fedora, dropping from 13th to 63rd in yards per play. Things did not pick up until Tebow started getting involved in 2006.

How long would it take Mullen to find his QB in Miami? Kaaya is not that guy. Rosier is only an OK runner and does not look like a special talent. Shireffs and Allison are pocket passers. This may be a short-term concern, but how patient is the fanbase going to be? The right quarterback may be four years away.

There are other significant concerns, but these are two major reasons why I can't place him above Butch.



I'm not worried about the defense. I'd guess his defenses are on par with those Joe Lee Dunn defenses under Sherrill. They've been competitive there in a tough league.

However, I'm a little concerned about the QB. I think he'll be able to find guys, but his scheme calls for the QB to run a lot of dives. That's a lot of wear and tear over the course of a season. It's the same concern I had with Tom Herman.

All things considered, I'd take Mullen. And I'd take him over Butch.
 
I'm not so sure the SEC is filled with primitive offenses pace wise like it used to be. In his division alone, Mullen has Auburn, aTm, Ole Miss running up-tempo offenses.
 
Team was ranked number 1 for 4 weeks last season ...

Folks are giving Butch credit for what he did 15 years ago, but Mullen can't get credit for what he did 13 months ago?

LOL

Being ranked #1 in October isn't an "accomplishment".

4 weeks at number 1, for Miss State, is absolutely an "accomlishment".

Anybody who can't see that has no clue about college football, outside of their rooting interest.

Average coaches don't get their teams to number 1 rankings ...
 
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What's hilarious is Mullen's accomplishments at Miss St are superior to what Butch could muster at UNC, a comparable program when he took over.

Context is lost on some low level thinkers around here.

I would say the quality of the programs are comparable BUT MSU is in a more difficult conference.
 
They all bring question marks. The age is certainly a risk for Butch, but I'm not that concerned because he's still young enough (same age as Saban, Carroll, Belichick, etc.) and we need to win now. Butch never won a championship and he is desperate for one.
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NOT ONE OF THOSE GUYS HAD A GAP LIKE BUTCH. The comparison is bad because of the 5 year gap in HC gigs.
 
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Dan Mullen, at best, has had the 6th best roster in the SEC West. Behind Ole Miss, Alabama, LSU, Texas A & M and Auburn. Despite that, he has still been able to be above .500 in the best division in college football the last two years. I can't speak for others, but I think if Mullen was the team with all the talent (Miami), going up against other teams that don't have as much talent, he could run the Coastal with Va Tech.
 
Dan Mullen rounded up everyone in the football facility - assistants, staffers, coaches, janitors, secretaries, EVERYONE - on his first day, and told them they're part of the problem. That they shouldn't tell him "this is the way we've always been doing it" because that way hasn't been getting it down and it's not good enough.

[video=youtube;pPNXxYZjjAQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPNXxYZjjAQ[/video]
 
i wanna hear from our fans who are big mullen fans. bc i'm just may be missing something. all i have to judge is his time spent as a coordinator at UF and as head coach of Miss State. i just don't see the where the hype comes from. not to say he hasn't done well for himself but how is he any better than Richt who's had much more success. is it that one 10 win season? someone please enlighten me bc this mullen fanboyism kinda came outta nowhere.

He took Miss St to a number one ranking , that alone speaks highly of the cat. He did that with a bunch of 3 stars , in a division with majority 4-5 stars.

They didn't end up # 1 but that program is at a place it's never been. Just compare it's history to before Mullen and after.

And then proceeded to **** the bed, including losing to his arch rival Ole Miss and to Ga Tech (of all teams) in the bowl game. MSU had a lot of NFL talent last year and this year.
 
i wanna hear from our fans who are big mullen fans. bc i'm just may be missing something. all i have to judge is his time spent as a coordinator at UF and as head coach of Miss State. i just don't see the where the hype comes from. not to say he hasn't done well for himself but how is he any better than Richt who's had much more success. is it that one 10 win season? someone please enlighten me bc this mullen fanboyism kinda came outta nowhere.

He took Miss St to a number one ranking , that alone speaks highly of the cat. He did that with a bunch of 3 stars , in a division with majority 4-5 stars.

They didn't end up # 1 but that program is at a place it's never been. Just compare it's history to before Mullen and after.

And then proceeded to **** the bed, including losing to his arch rival Ole Miss and to Ga Tech (of all teams) in the bowl game. MSU had a lot of NFL talent last year and this year.

10-3 at Msu , what a bed ****ting. Troll on
 
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