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Does anyone know when we will get word if Lewis receives a medical hardship and is allowed to redshirt? I'd think it's something the staff files for rather quickly so you can but the redshirt tag on him immediately or is it more of an end of the year type thing ?
 
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Burr said:
Does anyone know when we will get word if Lewis receives a medical hardship and is allowed to redshirt? I'd think it's something the staff files for rather quickly so you can but the redshirt tag on him immediately or is it more of an end of the year type thing ?
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Redshirts are determined at the end of the year. You may intend to not play a kid(redshirt), but there is no redshirt designation until the season is completed without the kid playing.

Lewis, as far as I can tell meets all criteria for a medical hardship waiver. I don't know when they have to apply for the waiver, but I don't think the timing is gonna be a problem. They know what they are doing.
 
Aren't there two different levels, medical redshirt and medical hardship? The redshirt is pretty easy as long as the student played fewer than a certain percentage of snaps, while a hardship is for a second year of injury not to count against the four of eligibility and is much harder to qualify for. Just going off memory and will look it up later.
 
When it comes down to it, if he if he is even close to being eligible, who could deny him after actually seeing the injury? I don't think we need to worry about this. If ML can play again he will play at UM for as long as he cares to.
 
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umhurricano said:
Aren't there two different levels, medical redshirt and medical hardship? The redshirt is pretty easy as long as the student played fewer than a certain percentage of snaps, while a hardship is for a second year of injury not to count against the four of eligibility and is much harder to qualify for. Just going off memory and will look it up later.
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No. There is a hardship waiver for medical reasons (medical hardship waiver). That's where you have to have played in no more than 30% (rounded up - that's 4 for us) of the teams games, all in the first half of the season, and the injury causes you to be unable to participate. You have to document that. Ramon Buchanon got one under these exact conditions last year.

The redshirt can only be given if you do not play even one play during the season.

This is from the 2011 NCAA Div-1 Manual
14.2.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference
or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of “hardship.” Hardship is defined as an
incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions: (Revised:
8/8/02, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08)
(a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any twoyear
or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete’s senior year
in high school; (Revised: 1/10/92 effective 8/1/92, 11/1/01, 8/8/02)
(b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that concludes
with the NCAA championship in that sport (see Bylaw 14.2.4.3.4) and results in incapacity to compete
for the remainder of that playing season; (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01,
4/3/02, 4/24/08)
(c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three
contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is
greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only
scheduled or completed competition against outside participants during the playing season that concludes
with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season
in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the
number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of
scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. Dates of competition
that are exempted (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible
number of contests or dates of competition shall count toward the number of contests or dates in which the
student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition
in the season, except for scrimmages and exhibition contests that are specifically identified as such in the
sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations. Scrimmages and exhibition contests that are not exempted
from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition may be excluded from the
calculation only if they are identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations;
and (Revised: 1/10/92, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 3/10/04, 5/11/05, 8/4/05, 4/26/07,
9/18/07, 4/24/08)
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Dingaan1828 said:
umhurricano said:
Aren't there two different levels, medical redshirt and medical hardship? The redshirt is pretty easy as long as the student played fewer than a certain percentage of snaps, while a hardship is for a second year of injury not to count against the four of eligibility and is much harder to qualify for. Just going off memory and will look it up later.
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No. There is a hardship waiver for medical reasons (medical hardship waiver). That's where you have to have played in no more than 30% (rounded up - that's 4 for us) of the teams games, all in the first half of the season, and the injury causes you to be unable to participate. You have to document that. Ramon Buchanon got one under these exact conditions last year.

The redshirt can only be given if you do not play even one play during the season.

This is from the 2011 NCAA Div-1 Manual
14.2.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference
or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of “hardship.” Hardship is defined as an
incapacity resulting from an injury or illness that has occurred under all of the following conditions: (Revised:
8/8/02, 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08)
(a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any twoyear
or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete’s senior year
in high school; (Revised: 1/10/92 effective 8/1/92, 11/1/01, 8/8/02)
(b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that concludes
with the NCAA championship in that sport (see Bylaw 14.2.4.3.4) and results in incapacity to compete
for the remainder of that playing season; (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01,
4/3/02, 4/24/08)
(c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three
contests or dates of competition (whichever is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is
greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. Only
scheduled or completed competition against outside participants during the playing season that concludes
with the NCAA championship, or, if so designated, during the official NCAA championship playing season
in that sport (e.g., spring baseball, fall soccer), shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the
number of contests or dates of competition in which the student-athlete has participated and the number of
scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition during that season in the sport. Dates of competition
that are exempted (e.g., alumni contests, foreign team in the United States) from the maximum permissible
number of contests or dates of competition shall count toward the number of contests or dates in which the
student-athlete has participated and the number of scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition
in the season, except for scrimmages and exhibition contests that are specifically identified as such in the
sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations. Scrimmages and exhibition contests that are not exempted
from the maximum permissible number of contests or dates of competition may be excluded from the
calculation only if they are identified as such in the sport’s Bylaw 17 playing and practice season regulations;
and (Revised: 1/10/92, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, 3/10/04, 5/11/05, 8/4/05, 4/26/07,
9/18/07, 4/24/08)
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Correct. For the 12309218321st time, you play one snap, you cannot redshirt. However, if you play within a certain amount of plays within the first 3-4 games and you are out for the rest of the year because of the injury, then you can apply for a medical hardship at the end of the year.
 
AUcane said:
Correct. For the 12309218321st time, you play one snap, you cannot redshirt. However, if you play within a certain amount of plays within the first 3-4 games and you are out for the rest of the year because of the injury, then you can apply for a medical hardship at the end of the year.
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lol - I hear ya.
 
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Last I saw Malcolm was just over the limit for amount of plays %. I'm not positive but I don't think he is eligible.
 
Yea I think he's over the limit too. He's played a lot in all 3 of the first game and gets hurt in the late first fall of the 4th game. I really hope there's no issue and well have him and Kevin Olsen, aka Baby Jesus, for 3 years together
 
It doesn't matter how many plays you are in for. It's the number of games you play in. For him, he can play in 4 (30% of 12 rounded up to a whole number (4)). Seriously, just read the rule. Ramon Buchanon got the hardship waiver last year is an identical situation. He played in the first 4 games, and was hurt in the 4th game. Just read the rule.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2011&org=415&player=45
 
Dingaan1828 said:
It doesn't matter how many plays you are in for. It's the number of games you play in. For him, he can play in 4 (30% of 12 rounded up to a whole number (4)). Seriously, just read the rule. Ramon Buchanon got the hardship waiver last year is an identical situation. He played in the first 4 games, and was hurt in the 4th game. Just read the rule.

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2011&org=415&player=45
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Right so that's 33% correct? He's over the limit? That's where I was mistaken anyways I guess.
 
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In summary, while it won't be official for a while, be assured he will be a redshirt freshman next year.
 
No need to be condescending...if you read my post I am fully aware of the difference between a regular redshirt and a medical redshirt, I just couldn't remember what the ceiling percentage of games played was. I was merely referencing that the rules for a medical hardship waiver are straightforward, but applying for a sixth year of eligibility (i.e. a medical redshirt after a regular redshirt) is a much more difficult process (if not in terms of actual paperwork, then in terms of numbers granted).
 
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umhurricano said:
No need to be condescending...if you read my post I am fully aware of the difference between a regular redshirt and a medical redshirt, I just couldn't remember what the ceiling percentage of games played was. I was merely referencing that the rules for a medical hardship waiver are straightforward, but applying for a sixth year of eligibility (i.e. a medical redshirt after a regular redshirt) is a much more difficult process (if not in terms of actual paperwork, then in terms of numbers granted).
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Sorry that it was condescending. If I read you correctly, you were asking about the difference between Lewis (let's count it as a redshirt year) and Ojomo (I want to extend my eligibility beyond 5 years). In that case, good point, and I was in too big a hurry to post to notice that..

Opinion: I think the problem with Ojomo was that they didn't bother to document his first injury properly (the broken jaw). I think if they had, he would have been granted the extra year, later. This is why it is important to get the hardship for Lewis now. You never know how things will go in the next 4 years.
 
The only problem with Bomb's guarantee is that it looks like the NCAA changed the rule to 20% for this year.
 
Ojomo's problem was that your must miss the great majority of two full years, but a voluntary RS does not count.
 
It is still 30%. The 20% rule goes back a few years.

You don't figure the percent of games you have played in and compare it to 30%. You take 30% of the number of scheduled games and perform the "rounding" to find out how many games you can appear in. The rule has nothing to do with percent of plays, number of quarters you played in, etc.
In this case, it is a 12 game schedule. 30% of 12 is 3.6 games. What do you do with the .6 games. It is always rounded up, so, in the 12 game schedule, you are allowed to appear in 4 games.
In the old 11 game schedule, 30% of 11 is 3.3 and rounded up is also 4 games.

None of the games that you appear in can be in the 2nd half of the schedule. The 2nd half starts with game 7. In the 11 game schedule, the 2nd half starts with game 6. The 4 game limit does not mean the 1st 4 games. You could play e.g. in games 2, 3, 5 and 6.

UM willl apply to the conference for a hardship. Independents apply to the NCAA. There are medical documentation requirements and a few other tidbits, but ML should have no problem getting this year of eligibility back. Not sure of the timing, but I would think that the conference would not grant the request until the season, includong any bowl game, is over since you can't play after game 6.
 
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