Latest NCAA snafu has me worried about our investigation

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With most organizations, the stuff that has happened at the NCAA over the past year (e.g., our investigation, the Muhammad matter, the Penn State mess, the O'Bannon case, etc.) would cause the organization to regroup, start on a new PR campaign to show that it has put its past behavior behind it, and then suffer its losses and move on. That approach would likely bode well for UM, since the NCAA would want to minimize the chances of further bad press and/or a UM lawsuit by erring on the side of a minimal level of penalties.

However, as the latest jersey thing shows, the NCAA either (i) doesn't care how it is perceived or judged, (ii) is too diorganized/stupid to realize when to cut its losses and move on, or (ii) both. I tend to think it is both.

Let's review the facts -- you have a pending case where former players are suing the NCAA, claiming their likenesses were misappropriated for use in video games and elsewhere without compensation. The NCAA, I assume, will argue as part of its defense that players don't own their uniform numbers, so no misappropriation has occurred. (No likenesses of players are used, no player names, etc.) I'm not sure how that argument plays out, but HOW ON EARTH DOES THE NCAA NOT VERIFY THAT ITS USE OF PARTICULAR UNIFORM NUMBERS IS NOT CONNECTED TO SPECIFIC PLAYERS? Did no one at the NCAA ever go on its website a do a search?!? If they did, was Emmert really that naive or stupid or blind to not see how the NCAA's approach to allowing name searches to pull up jerseys would hurt its case?!? This is not some piddly case for the NCAA -- it has major ramifications for what the NCAA can do.

Unfortunately, I fear that if given the chance, the NCAA would take the same approach to UM and our pending sanctions -- in other words, ignore common sense, and do what they think they are entitled to do, which as we know is throw the book at us. Perhaps the COI, which is independent from the NCAA, is a wiser group of individuals. For our sake, let's hope so.
 
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To be honest, I am sick and tired of worrying about it. I personally can do nothing to change what they are going to do.
 
Yea I let go worrying about it finally last year... I have more pressing things in life to worry about lol

OP may be right though, the NCAA seems dumb enough to not know when to cut their losses.
 
What are the odds the ncaa (as a relevant organization) is gone before our probation will be due to expire?
Of course they will hang on in perpetuity as the governing authority for women's field hockey and intercollegiate rhythmic gymnastics, but my guess, they are done.
 
I think their ineptitude and total disregard for public opinion and common sense has been the worry all along. If common sense and respect for fairness was anywhere in their plans this would have been over long ago. I think they are going try and ***** us royally even tho we don't deserve it. We may win an appeal or maybe a lawsuit but drawing this out will be part of their plan in ******** us. They will give us just enough that they know we will appeal. Part of our penalty will be having to appeal. Maybe they can ***** with 4 recruiting seasons. Us against the world just like its always been. When we see our team hold up that crystal football it WILL BE AWESOME!
 
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Starting to think we are getting significant scholarship reductions based on all the recent add ons. I don't think they give a **** about our self imposed reductions.
 
Our case is done!! it is just being finalized by lawyers and written into a format for understanding to the media and of course Miami...
Look at it this way...Emmert was just allowed back on by the board but was supposedly ripped by a few...he wants Miami to go away...

Be prepared for a nasty letter saying you are free Miami...basically allowing all the charges, abortion, hookers. boats. meals all to be in the letter but at the end say you are free...

the Ncaa wants the public to judge Miami and hate Miami more than it does now...that is all they have.


Just a mean letter...thats what I expect
 
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Our case is done!! it is just being finalized by lawyers and written into a format for understanding to the media and of course Miami...
Look at it this way...Emmert was just allowed back on by the board but was supposedly ripped by a few...he wants Miami to go away...

Be prepared for a nasty letter saying you are free Miami...basically allowing all the charges, abortion, hookers. boats. meals all to be in the letter but at the end say you are free...

the Ncaa wants the public to judge Miami and hate Miami more than it does now...that is all they have.


Just a mean letter...thats what I expect
source? I hope your right brother. I want the hate! Bring that shiiiit on! "WE ARE WHAT U FEAR"
 
If only it would be that simple. Its the NCAA...you can definitely expect more than that. But I like the premise Gamineal!
Our case is done!! it is just being finalized by lawyers and written into a format for understanding to the media and of course Miami...
Look at it this way...Emmert was just allowed back on by the board but was supposedly ripped by a few...he wants Miami to go away...

Be prepared for a nasty letter saying you are free Miami...basically allowing all the charges, abortion, hookers. boats. meals all to be in the letter but at the end say you are free...

the Ncaa wants the public to judge Miami and hate Miami more than it does now...that is all they have.


Just a mean letter...thats what I expect
 
Our case is done!! it is just being finalized by lawyers and written into a format for understanding to the media and of course Miami...
Look at it this way...Emmert was just allowed back on by the board but was supposedly ripped by a few...he wants Miami to go away...

Be prepared for a nasty letter saying you are free Miami...basically allowing all the charges, abortion, hookers. boats. meals all to be in the letter but at the end say you are free...

the Ncaa wants the public to judge Miami and hate Miami more than it does now...that is all they have.


Just a mean letter...thats what I expect

lulz
 
With most organizations, the stuff that has happened at the NCAA over the past year (e.g., our investigation, the Muhammad matter, the Penn State mess, the O'Bannon case, etc.) would cause the organization to regroup, start on a new PR campaign to show that it has put its past behavior behind it, and then suffer its losses and move on. That approach would likely bode well for UM, since the NCAA would want to minimize the chances of further bad press and/or a UM lawsuit by erring on the side of a minimal level of penalties.

However, as the latest jersey thing shows, the NCAA either (i) doesn't care how it is perceived or judged, (ii) is too diorganized/stupid to realize when to cut its losses and move on, or (ii) both. I tend to think it is both.

Let's review the facts -- you have a pending case where former players are suing the NCAA, claiming their likenesses were misappropriated for use in video games and elsewhere without compensation. The NCAA, I assume, will argue as part of its defense that players don't own their uniform numbers, so no misappropriation has occurred. (No likenesses of players are used, no player names, etc.) I'm not sure how that argument plays out, but HOW ON EARTH DOES THE NCAA NOT VERIFY THAT ITS USE OF PARTICULAR UNIFORM NUMBERS IS NOT CONNECTED TO SPECIFIC PLAYERS? Did no one at the NCAA ever go on its website a do a search?!? If they did, was Emmert really that naive or stupid or blind to not see how the NCAA's approach to allowing name searches to pull up jerseys would hurt its case?!? This is not some piddly case for the NCAA -- it has major ramifications for what the NCAA can do.

Unfortunately, I fear that if given the chance, the NCAA would take the same approach to UM and our pending sanctions -- in other words, ignore common sense, and do what they think they are entitled to do, which as we know is throw the book at us. Perhaps the COI, which is independent from the NCAA, is a wiser group of individuals. For our sake, let's hope so.

I don't understand your logic here; they pulled the search box as soon as it was realized and then announced they would no longer sell jerseys. If anything that shows that they do care how they are perceived (or are at least worried about getting sued) and do know when to cut their loses.

As for the verifying the names weren't connected to the jerseys; the store was run by a 3rd party. Does that excuse the NCAA - I dont think so, but it makes it a little more understandable how it happened in the first place (it also shows the total hypocrisy of the NCAA).

The NCAA is a mess and this is just the latest example, but I am not sure how this situation has anything to do with what you are saying. The one thing I would say that is this, added with all of the other NCAA f ups scares me as I think they will want to save some face and to everyone outside of Miami, hammering Miami would save them face and 'going easy on us' would only put more egg on their face.
 
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Our case is done!! it is just being finalized by lawyers and written into a format for understanding to the media and of course Miami...
Look at it this way...Emmert was just allowed back on by the board but was supposedly ripped by a few...he wants Miami to go away...

Be prepared for a nasty letter saying you are free Miami...basically allowing all the charges, abortion, hookers. boats. meals all to be in the letter but at the end say you are free...

the Ncaa wants the public to judge Miami and hate Miami more than it does now...that is all they have.


Just a mean letter...thats what I expect
source? I hope your right brother. I want the hate! Bring that shiiiit on! "WE ARE WHAT U FEAR"

We all know the case is done!! that is a fact...they are just finalizing the letters ( due any day fact!)
as for the punishment that is my OPINION..
Since the hearing...we have had great recruits, Al is talking more and more about better play not being so complacent in his words..ETC..

here is the link to emmerts job approval ..http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2013/08/ncaa_president_mark_emmert_get.html

He wants Miami to go away..it almost cost him his Job now the clothing issue....Miami has been dragged out so long most people dont care...most think we still suck on the field after the beat downs last year on Nat TV...That is why I posted what I did...
 
The speed they pulled the jersey sales shows they're feeling mighty snake-bit. It's been a steady parade of *****-ups, and about the time you think nothing else the NCAA could do wrong, another snake bite.

Keep in mind, you're dealing with an organization that closely imitates the image of academia - and to the extent that academia is NEVER wrong, and exist on a plane far above us mortals, their heads have to be spinning.

To add additional penalties to the already substantial penalties already suffered by Miami would be their death knoll, and I think they know that.

My best guess - time served.
 
Starting to think we are getting significant scholarship reductions based on all the recent add ons. I don't think they give a **** about our self imposed reductions.

Well we have self imposed, but we never self imposed scholly reductions. That is something most fans have made up in their heads. The reason we have added these players recently is because Golden wants to keep his job and is competent enough to realize that our DL situation needed to improve.
 
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The speed they pulled the jersey sales shows they're feeling mighty snake-bit. It's been a steady parade of *****-ups, and about the time you think nothing else the NCAA could do wrong, another snake bite.

Keep in mind, you're dealing with an organization that closely imitates the image of academia - and to the extent that academia is NEVER wrong, and exist on a plane far above us mortals, their heads have to be spinning.

To add additional penalties to the already substantial penalties already suffered by Miami would be their death knoll, and I think they know that.

My best guess - time served.
This. All of it.
 
With most organizations, the stuff that has happened at the NCAA over the past year (e.g., our investigation, the Muhammad matter, the Penn State mess, the O'Bannon case, etc.) would cause the organization to regroup, start on a new PR campaign to show that it has put its past behavior behind it, and then suffer its losses and move on. That approach would likely bode well for UM, since the NCAA would want to minimize the chances of further bad press and/or a UM lawsuit by erring on the side of a minimal level of penalties.

However, as the latest jersey thing shows, the NCAA either (i) doesn't care how it is perceived or judged, (ii) is too diorganized/stupid to realize when to cut its losses and move on, or (ii) both. I tend to think it is both.

Let's review the facts -- you have a pending case where former players are suing the NCAA, claiming their likenesses were misappropriated for use in video games and elsewhere without compensation. The NCAA, I assume, will argue as part of its defense that players don't own their uniform numbers, so no misappropriation has occurred. (No likenesses of players are used, no player names, etc.) I'm not sure how that argument plays out, but HOW ON EARTH DOES THE NCAA NOT VERIFY THAT ITS USE OF PARTICULAR UNIFORM NUMBERS IS NOT CONNECTED TO SPECIFIC PLAYERS? Did no one at the NCAA ever go on its website a do a search?!? If they did, was Emmert really that naive or stupid or blind to not see how the NCAA's approach to allowing name searches to pull up jerseys would hurt its case?!? This is not some piddly case for the NCAA -- it has major ramifications for what the NCAA can do.

Unfortunately, I fear that if given the chance, the NCAA would take the same approach to UM and our pending sanctions -- in other words, ignore common sense, and do what they think they are entitled to do, which as we know is throw the book at us. Perhaps the COI, which is independent from the NCAA, is a wiser group of individuals. For our sake, let's hope so.

know what I really worry about? When some porster thinks they are so full of insight that they post their same brilliant analysis on more than one site, then sit back and wait for everyone to proclaim their true perceptive observations. What would we do without you.
 
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