Just my two cents regarding Defense and coaching..

immars

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We can all agree, talent is not there. But, as an ex coach (another sport) i am a firm believer that it is the coach's job and duty to find what can he do to make this work better with what he has. How can he squeeze as much juice from these players. My opinion is that Golden and Dnofrio are far too stubborn in the belief of "their process". Their process has showed results, but in year 4. They want to hold steady with all might to the process. The process is their system and teaching it, and letting the player grow through it. My problem with that is the inflexibility of it all. Your offense has a chance of winning games. But it is hampered by a defense that is limited as it stands. Why not be more flexible and say, "well, reality is that a team (based on two games with two completely different level of opponents) will score roughly 70/80% of the time they have the ball? Then why not be more aggressive. If the end result is going to be roughly the same, why not try to dictate the outcome a little bit. Why not realize that if I sit back, I will wear out my defense along with losing points and have my offense sit on the sidelines longer. Why not decide to get to the qb before he can release, why not make him make the quicker read and the faster throw, and force that offense to do the faster execution? The counter to that is that if the slant is not well covered, it will end up being a td. Yes, but we are going to get scored on eventually - more or less. Also, not ALL qb's and ALL wr in college are awesome. They are not going to hit on all cylinders under a ton of pressure all the time. Allow these kids to think a little less, play a bit downfield. But Golden and Dnofrio do not want to play like say the Dallas Cowboys style of D or how the Eagles did it (can't think of another one) because it is different then what their system and process is. So again, we go back to the stubbornness and inflexibility and above all their belief in their system.
Just my two cents. But limiting it to a couple of reads, cheating one safety up a bit to help in run support and crossing routs and leaving the other safety back would allow for the lb's and Dline to have easy tasks. Switch up a lb with a lineman dropping ala ohio st. when jacory got picked. Get creative with simple things. But we have not seen the ability nor the willingness of this staff to do that. We changed our offensive look dramatically from one year to the next, but we can't do it on Defense????? Baffled.

am i over simplifying the reasoning? I just see that the problem is not as big as the solution. The difference is the willingness to do it.
 
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We can all agree, talent is not there. But, as an ex coach (another sport) i am a firm believer that it is the coach's job and duty to find what can he do to make this work better with what he has. How can he squeeze as much juice from these players. My opinion is that Golden and Dnofrio are far too stubborn in the belief of "their process". Their process has showed results, but in year 4. They want to hold steady with all might to the process. The process is their system and teaching it, and letting the player grow through it. My problem with that is the inflexibility of it all. Your offense has a chance of winning games. But it is hampered by a defense that is limited as it stands. Why not be more flexible and say, "well, reality is that a team (based on two games with two completely different level of opponents) will score roughly 70/80% of the time they have the ball? Then why not be more aggressive. If the end result is going to be roughly the same, why not try to dictate the outcome a little bit. Why not realize that if I sit back, I will wear out my defense along with losing points and have my offense sit on the sidelines longer. Why not decide to get to the qb before he can release, why not make him make the quicker read and the faster throw, and force that offense to do the faster execution? The counter to that is that if the slant is not well covered, it will end up being a td. Yes, but we are going to get scored on eventually - more or less. Also, not ALL qb's and ALL wr in college are awesome. They are not going to hit on all cylinders under a ton of pressure all the time. Allow these kids to think a little less, play a bit downfield. But Golden and Dnofrio do not want to play like say the Dallas Cowboys style of D or how the Eagles did it (can't think of another one) because it is different then what their system and process is. So again, we go back to the stubbornness and inflexibility and above all their belief in their system.
Just my two cents. But limiting it to a couple of reads, cheating one safety up a bit to help in run support and crossing routs and leaving the other safety back would allow for the lb's and Dline to have easy tasks. Switch up a lb with a lineman dropping ala ohio st. when jacory got picked. Get creative with simple things. But we have not seen the ability nor the willingness of this staff to do that. We changed our offensive look dramatically from one year to the next, but we can't do it on Defense????? Baffled.

am i over simplifying the reasoning? I just see that the problem is not as big as the solution. The difference is the willingness to do it.

Pressure causes mistakes, sitting back and letting the O dictate what ever the **** they want is a scrimmage.

Grow some balls and dial up a better D. Stack the box, send the house, my God do something besides watching the other team control the clock and scoring at will.
 
It would be nice to see an opposing Qb on the turf every once in awhile too. Whether a sack or just a pop to let him know you're there. Don't think they broke a sweat.
 
It would be nice to see an opposing Qb on the turf every once in awhile too. Whether a sack or just a pop to let him know you're there. Don't think they broke a sweat.

**** it looked like a 7-7 drill with how much comfort the QB's have had to throw it..
 
We have to follow the almighty scheme though, doesn't matter if it crashes and burns like the Hindenburg, how can one think about adjusting anything to ones talent? That's too much of a cavalier idea.
 
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We can all agree, talent is not there. But, as an ex coach (another sport) i am a firm believer that it is the coach's job and duty to find what can he do to make this work better with what he has. How can he squeeze as much juice from these players. My opinion is that Golden and Dnofrio are far too stubborn in the belief of "their process". Their process has showed results, but in year 4. They want to hold steady with all might to the process. The process is their system and teaching it, and letting the player grow through it. My problem with that is the inflexibility of it all. Your offense has a chance of winning games. But it is hampered by a defense that is limited as it stands. Why not be more flexible and say, "well, reality is that a team (based on two games with two completely different level of opponents) will score roughly 70/80% of the time they have the ball? Then why not be more aggressive. If the end result is going to be roughly the same, why not try to dictate the outcome a little bit. Why not realize that if I sit back, I will wear out my defense along with losing points and have my offense sit on the sidelines longer. Why not decide to get to the qb before he can release, why not make him make the quicker read and the faster throw, and force that offense to do the faster execution? The counter to that is that if the slant is not well covered, it will end up being a td. Yes, but we are going to get scored on eventually - more or less. Also, not ALL qb's and ALL wr in college are awesome. They are not going to hit on all cylinders under a ton of pressure all the time. Allow these kids to think a little less, play a bit downfield. But Golden and Dnofrio do not want to play like say the Dallas Cowboys style of D or how the Eagles did it (can't think of another one) because it is different then what their system and process is. So again, we go back to the stubbornness and inflexibility and above all their belief in their system.
Just my two cents. But limiting it to a couple of reads, cheating one safety up a bit to help in run support and crossing routs and leaving the other safety back would allow for the lb's and Dline to have easy tasks. Switch up a lb with a lineman dropping ala ohio st. when jacory got picked. Get creative with simple things. But we have not seen the ability nor the willingness of this staff to do that. We changed our offensive look dramatically from one year to the next, but we can't do it on Defense????? Baffled.

am i over simplifying the reasoning? I just see that the problem is not as big as the solution. The difference is the willingness to do it.

Pressure causes mistakes, sitting back and letting the O dictate what ever the **** they want is a scrimmage.

Grow some balls and dial up a better D. Stack the box, send the house, my God do something besides watching the other team control the clock and scoring at will.

This, pass rush is key to making the defense improve, if you can't get their with 4, you better design some plays to bring other guys or you get what we've seen the last 2 weeks.
 
Definitely agree with the OP. Looking at our schedule, maybe there's 2-3 teams, Bethune included, that may not march down and get points 75% of the time with our beeeeeeeeeeeeend and not (though it really does) break defense. So YES! Friggin bring the house man. Blitz just about every down, or at least encourage youre DLs to actually get in the backfiled and disrupt instead of just staying on their blocks.

Perhaps since the last two times their D scheme "turned around" a defense they had 4 season to do so bc they were at friggin crap programs, that they are so stubborn with it. Are we supposed to take these kind of beatings for 4 years?! GTFOH! Like the OP said, they need to recognize they, or better said D'No won't get 4 years for results.

And I don't want to hear about it's only game two. It is not for D'No. There's been two springs, two summers and two fall camps and this d still looks like its the first day of this scheme. So frustrated....
 
Other than the GTand OSU games last year,I can't recall a game since Golden has been here when we started out strong from the opening kickoff. That is becoming a bit worrisome for me. Maryland, VT,FSU, NC, UVA all had us chasing them. The head coach needs to accept more responsibility for getting this team prepared from the outset.

If he is signing off on the gameplan from both sides of the ball, then he better be questioned about his capabilities as the man in charge. I like Al,but I'm not gonna lie,I'm getting a bit concerned about him as well.
 
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Agree with much of what you said. But for the record... We have dropped DEs into zone coverage.

We did against BC.

When I say we should be more aggressive it ha nothing to do with blitzing necessarily. I want to see a complete philosophical change from zone to man. Soft to press. Gaps to upfield rush. Cover 1/3 to cover 2.

It's never gonna happen.
 
Other than the GTand OSU games last year,I can't recall a game since Golden has been here when we started out strong from the opening kickoff. That is becoming a bit worrisome for me. Maryland, VT,FSU, NC, UVA all had us chasing them. The head coach needs to accept more responsibility for getting this team prepared from the outset.

If he is signing off on the gameplan from both sides of the ball, then he better be questioned about his capabilities as the man in charge. I like Al,but I'm not gonna lie,I'm getting a bit concerned about him as well.

We started off pretty strong against UNC but otherwise I agree. It seems like we're always having to mount a comeback or in a wire to wire dogfight with all but the dreggiest of dregs.
 
I am having trouble understanding something...
We aren't getting penetration from the front four that is a given, but are we not getting penetration or not the way Coach D wants to get penetration. I understand the coaches having to be stern with LRobinson for free lancing, but point is he was getting penetration.

Seems to me he could call some block slipping in with his gap integrity until the players strength catches up to their speed.

Am I correct in assuming this or is their way more to it that I don't know?
 
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