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How do we lose a 3 way tie w/ GT & UNC?

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if GT beats duke and so do we. were in a three way tie with GT and NC, we beat gt, loss to nc. but gt beat nc, so who goes to the championship game, would think it would be us cuz we beat gt ? also would it mean NC would have to beat there next 2 acc opponents to be in a three way tie
 
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sotacane22 said:
if GT beats duke and so do we. were in a three way tie with GT and NC, we beat gt, loss to nc. but gt beat nc, so who goes to the championship game, would think it would be us cuz we beat gt ? also would it mean NC would have to beat there next 2 acc opponents to be in a three way tie
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I heard that a 3 way tie GT and UNC favors GT because it goes to the 3rd tie breaker or something like that. In fairness, I feel teams not eligible for the game should be left out of tie breaker scenarios. But I don't make the rules.
 
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I was looking at the list to break a 3 team tie in the ACC.

(Once tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker format is used)
#1 - Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams.
#2 - Records of the tied teams within the division.
#3 - Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall (divisional or conference) record, and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken first to last.
#4 - Overall record for non-divisional teams.
#5 - Combined record versus all common non-divisional teams.
#6 - Record versus common non-divisional with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional record) and proceeding through the other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within the division.
#7 - The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the conclusion of regular season games shall be the divisional representative in the ACC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the ACC Championship Game.
#8 - The representative shall be chosen by a draw.

I've been reading that there is a a scenario that we lose out on the 3 way tiebreaker if we finish tied w/ GT & UNC at 5-3. I couldn't find anyone to break it down so if I understood all of the tie break rules correctly, here is the scenario where we lose out on winning the division. Assuming all 3 teams beat the teams necessary to be tied at 5-3:

Tiebreaker #1: UM beat GT but lost to UNC. GT beat UNC but lost to UM. UNC beat UM but lost to GT. Each team has a 1-1 record amongst all tied teams.

Tiebreaker #2: UM beat GT, VT & Duke. Lost to NC & VA. GT beat VA, NC & Duke. Lost to UM & VT. UNC beat VT, UM & VA. Lost to Duke & GT. Each team has a 3-2 record within the division.

Tiebreaker #3: Since the top 3 teams are tied you move onto the 4th place team in the division. It could end up being a) a tie (VA & Duke) b) another tie (Duke & VT) or c) a 3 way tie (VT, VA & Duke) at 3-5.

a) If it's a tie between VA & Duke, you go to the head-to-head record to break the tie. Duke beat VA so that makes them the 4th place team. UM & GT beat Duke. UNC lost to Duke. That leaves UM & GT. UM beat GT so they win the division.

b) If it's a tie between Duke & VT, you go to the head-to-head record to break the tie. VT beat Duke so that makes them the 4th place team. UM & NC beat VT. GT lost to VT. That leaves UM & NC. NC beat UM so they win the division. Since NC is not eligible, UM would win.

c) If it's a 3 way tie this is where it gets confusing.
#1: all teams will have a 1-1 record against each other.
#2: all teams will have a 2-3 divisional record
#3: can't do this tiebreaker because we're still trying to figure out the tiebreaker for 1-3
#4: all teams will have a 1-2 non-divisional record
#5: 3 teams did not have a common non-divisional opponent.
#6: 3 teams did not have a common non-divisional opponent.
#7: 3 teams will not be ranked in the BCS.
#8: team chosen by draw.

If the team chosen is VT, UM & NC beat VT & GT lost to VT. GT would then be eliminated. NC beat UM so they would win the division. Since NC is not eligible, UM would win.
If the team chosen is Duke, UM & GT beat Duke. NC lost to Duke. NC would then be eliminated. UM beat GT so they would win the division.
If the team chosen is VA, GT & NC beat VA. UM lost to VA. UM would then be eliminated. GT beat NC so they would win the division.

If any of following happens:
1) Duke beats GT
2) BC beats VT
3) VA beats NC
4) VT beats VA
5) MD beats NC
it will eliminate any possibility of us losing a tie breaker.

If there is any aspect of this wrong please let me know so I can fix it.
 
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if we finish in a 3 way tie, it all depends on who finishes 4th. if it's VA we lose the tie breakers. if it's duke or VT we win the tie breakers.
 
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If we decide to play in the ACC champ anyway, it's pretty dumb.
 
jjgloster said:
I was looking at the list to break a 3 team tie in the ACC.

(Once tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker format is used)
#1 - Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams.
#2 - Records of the tied teams within the division.
#3 - Head-to-head competition versus the team within the division with the best overall (divisional or conference) record, and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken first to last.
#4 - Overall record for non-divisional teams.
#5 - Combined record versus all common non-divisional teams.
#6 - Record versus common non-divisional with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional record) and proceeding through the other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within the division.
#7 - The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the conclusion of regular season games shall be the divisional representative in the ACC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the ACC Championship Game.
#8 - The representative shall be chosen by a draw.

I've been reading that there is a a scenario that we lose out on the 3 way tiebreaker if we finish tied w/ GT & UNC at 5-3. I couldn't find anyone to break it down so if I understood all of the tie break rules correctly, here is the scenario where we lose out on winning the division. Assuming all 3 teams beat the teams necessary to be tied at 5-3:

Tiebreaker #1: UM beat GT but lost to UNC. GT beat UNC but lost to UM. UNC beat UM but lost to GT. Each team has a 1-1 record amongst all tied teams.

Tiebreaker #2: UM beat GT, VT & Duke. Lost to NC & VA. GT beat VA, NC & Duke. Lost to UM & VT. UNC beat VT, UM & VA. Lost to Duke & GT. Each team has a 3-2 record within the division.

Tiebreaker #3: Since the top 3 teams are tied you move onto the 4th place team in the division. It could end up being a) a tie (VA & Duke) b) another tie (Duke & VT) or c) a 3 way tie (VT, VA & Duke) at 3-5.

a) If it's a tie between VA & Duke, you go to the head-to-head record to break the tie. Duke beat VA so that makes them the 4th place team. UM & GT beat Duke. UNC lost to Duke. That leaves UM & GT. UM beat GT so they win the division.

b) If it's a tie between Duke & VT, you go to the head-to-head record to break the tie. VT beat Duke so that makes them the 4th place team. UM & NC beat VT. GT lost to VT. That leaves UM & NC. NC beat UM so they win the division. Since NC is not eligible, UM would win.

c) If it's a 3 way tie this is where it gets confusing.
#1: all teams will have a 1-1 record against each other.
#2: all teams will have a 2-3 divisional record
#3: can't do this tiebreaker because we're still trying to figure out the tiebreaker for 1-3
#4: all teams will have a 1-2 non-divisional record
#5: 3 teams did not have a common non-divisional opponent.
#6: 3 teams did not have a common non-divisional opponent.
#7: 3 teams will not be ranked in the BCS.
#8: team chosen by draw.

If the team chosen is VT, UM & NC beat VT & GT lost to VT. GT would then be eliminated. NC beat UM so they would win the division. Since NC is not eligible, UM would win.
If the team chosen is Duke, UM & GT beat Duke. NC lost to Duke. NC would then be eliminated. UM beat GT so they would win the division.
If the team chosen is VA, GT & NC beat VA. UM lost to VA. UM would then be eliminated. GT beat NC so they would win the division.

If any of following happens:
1) Duke beats GT
2) BC beats VT
3) VA beats NC
4) VT beats VA
5) MD beats NC
it will eliminate any possibility of us losing a tie breaker.

If there is any aspect of this wrong please let me know so I can fix it.
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Simple explanation, it comes down to the fourth place team. Whoever has the best record against the fourth place team wins. If the fourth place team is duke (assuming we win) or vt, we win the coastal. if the team is virginia we lose (because we lost against them)
 
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Basically, when VT beats VA, we will control our own destiny.

My hopes after that:

We will win the remaining games on our schedule, and immediately ban ourselves from ACC championship and Bowl game. The NCAA will fly multiple banners over South Florida saying we are then in the clear and have taken our punishment. Matthew Thomas, Alex Collins and a handful of others will immediately finish high school and enroll at UM for January. Our players will start eating PEDs.

Rock and roll.
 
LuCane said:
Basically, when VT beats VA, we will control our own destiny.

My hopes after that:

We will win the remaining games on our schedule, and immediately ban ourselves from ACC championship and Bowl game. The NCAA will fly multiple banners over South Florida saying we are then in the clear and have taken our punishment. Matthew Thomas, Alex Collins and a handful of others will immediately finish high school and enroll at UM for January. Our players will start eating PEDs.

Rock and roll.
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Co-Sign lol

Please take the bowl ban
 
There is very little chance we decide to play in the game, so I'm not gonna get worked up over figuring out the tie breakers.
 
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