How are scholarship reductions calculated?

[FrancisSawyer]

Would someone please clarify how the NCAA counts the scholarship reductions they hand out? For example, if it turns out that we lose 15 scholarships over 3 years does that mean we have a cap of 70 for 3 years or do we lose 5 a year meaning we have a cap of 80 for 3 years?

A friend and I were having this discussion and it seems to me that going down to 70 players for 3 years would be like losing 45 scholarships not 15. Would someone be kind enough to help clarify this for me? Thanks.

 

[CanesAreAble]

15 over 3 would be 5 per year

PSU got hit with 40 over 4

 

[FrancisSawyer]

15 over 3 would be 5 per year

PSU got hit with 40 over 4

Thanks, that's what I thought.
About Penn St however, I heard they lose 10 initially then they lose 20 a year for 4 years which would equal 90 total scholarships lost. Ouch! I am not sure if that is the case but whatever. Thanks again.

 

[GoodByeCS]

15 over 3 would be 5 per year

PSU got hit with 40 over 4

Thanks, that's what I thought.
About Penn St however, I heard they lose 10 initially then they lose 20 a year for 4 years which would equal 90 total scholarships lost. Ouch! I am not sure if that is the case but whatever. Thanks again.

No, that's not the way it works. It's easier to understand if you look at it from the opposite perspective. Each year for 4 years they can grant 15 new scholarships instead of 25 and at the beginning of each season they can have a max of 65 (doesn't start until 2014) guys on scholarship rather than 85. So it is 40 total but if they manage their roster as best as possible at any one time the most they will be down is 20.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

15 over 3 would be 5 per year

PSU got hit with 40 over 4

Thanks, that's what I thought.
About Penn St however, I heard they lose 10 initially then they lose 20 a year for 4 years which would equal 90 total scholarships lost. Ouch! I am not sure if that is the case but whatever. Thanks again.

No, that's not the way it works. It's easier to understand if you look at it from the opposite perspective. Each year for 4 years they can grant 15 new scholarships instead of 25 and at the beginning of each season they can have a max of 65 (doesn't start until 2014) guys on scholarship rather than 85. So it is 40 total but if they manage their roster as best as possible at any one time the most they will be down is 20.

If they can grant only 15 each year as opposed to 25 for four years yes that is 40 lost. It does not seem however that you are taking into consideration the 65 max per year as opposed to 85. Anyway way you slice it that is a net loss of 80 scholarships over 4 years.

 

[kendallcanes]

If a rooster lays an egg on a house, which way will the egg fall?

 

[IndayArtHauz]

If a rooster lays an egg on a house, which way will the egg fall?

As roosters don't lay eggs, I say to you: "Sir, WELL PLAYED."

 

[bomb]

Topline answer is PSU is going to have to play at 65 for a while. That's a killer.

 

[GoodByeCS]

15 over 3 would be 5 per year

PSU got hit with 40 over 4

Thanks, that's what I thought.
About Penn St however, I heard they lose 10 initially then they lose 20 a year for 4 years which would equal 90 total scholarships lost. Ouch! I am not sure if that is the case but whatever. Thanks again.

No, that's not the way it works. It's easier to understand if you look at it from the opposite perspective. Each year for 4 years they can grant 15 new scholarships instead of 25 and at the beginning of each season they can have a max of 65 (doesn't start until 2014) guys on scholarship rather than 85. So it is 40 total but if they manage their roster as best as possible at any one time the most they will be down is 20.

If they can grant only 15 each year as opposed to 25 for four years yes that is 40 lost. It does not seem however that you are taking into consideration the 65 max per year as opposed to 85. Anyway way you slice it that is a net loss of 80 scholarships over 4 years.

Francis, did you read my response carefully? I never mentioned anything about cumulative loss. I said at any given moment they would be down 20 if they managed the roster as best as possible. I also disagree with with your "any way you slice it" comment. Here's one way of slicing it where you're incorrect. At he end of 4 years will they only have 5 on their roster? You claim they will have lost 80, but they won't be down that number so only being able to carry 65 cannot be accumulated to 80 total.

 

[Chicken_N_Roffles]

15 over 3 would be 5 per year

PSU got hit with 40 over 4

Thanks, that's what I thought.
About Penn St however, I heard they lose 10 initially then they lose 20 a year for 4 years which would equal 90 total scholarships lost. Ouch! I am not sure if that is the case but whatever. Thanks again.

No, that's not the way it works. It's easier to understand if you look at it from the opposite perspective. Each year for 4 years they can grant 15 new scholarships instead of 25 and at the beginning of each season they can have a max of 65 (doesn't start until 2014) guys on scholarship rather than 85. So it is 40 total but if they manage their roster as best as possible at any one time the most they will be down is 20.

If they can grant only 15 each year as opposed to 25 for four years yes that is 40 lost. It does not seem however that you are taking into consideration the 65 max per year as opposed to 85. Anyway way you slice it that is a net loss of 80 scholarships over 4 years.

40 POSSIBLE scholarships, but not actually 40. If you take the 25 per year, you would have 100 scholarship players in the 4th year(assuming no one jumps early) so you would be forced to get rid of 15 players one way or another. It's a mistake to say they lose 40 scholarships, when they wouldn't be able to take that many.

 

[1CN]

This how I see it...

In 2013 Penn St Roster must be down to
2013: 75 S'ship players (that's a lose of 10 S'ship)
2014: 65 S'ship players (that's a lose of 10 more S'ship)
2015: 65 S'ship players (that's a lose 0 S'ship)
2016: 65 S'ship players (that's a lose 0 S'ship)

Remember If Penn St had offer the 20 S'ship lose '13 and '14
these potential roster would be occupy /not available in 2015/2016

Also if O'Brien manage his roster
some 2012 commit can apply to 2011 list
some 2013 commit can apply to 2012 list pushing Penn St over 15 S'ship in a cycle

Penn St. must do there best to have a roster 85
If player 1-10 leave this year
Penn St . pick up that S'ship in 2012 up to 85

 

[1CN]

Roster management 101


Example A : Penn St 2012 roster number 85 players
Penn St lose 20 Sr. players in 2013
85-20=65 Penn. St will have 10 available Ship that's 75 players

In 2013 Penn St. roster number 75
Penn St. lose 25 Sr. players 2014
75-25=50 PSU will have 5/2013 ,10/2014 S'ship available
that's 65 player on 2014 roster, with 20 spot available in 2015 cycle ...

 

[FrancisSawyer]

15 over 3 would be 5 per year

PSU got hit with 40 over 4

Thanks, that's what I thought.
About Penn St however, I heard they lose 10 initially then they lose 20 a year for 4 years which would equal 90 total scholarships lost. Ouch! I am not sure if that is the case but whatever. Thanks again.

No, that's not the way it works. It's easier to understand if you look at it from the opposite perspective. Each year for 4 years they can grant 15 new scholarships instead of 25 and at the beginning of each season they can have a max of 65 (doesn't start until 2014) guys on scholarship rather than 85. So it is 40 total but if they manage their roster as best as possible at any one time the most they will be down is 20.

If they can grant only 15 each year as opposed to 25 for four years yes that is 40 lost. It does not seem however that you are taking into consideration the 65 max per year as opposed to 85. Anyway way you slice it that is a net loss of 80 scholarships over 4 years.

Francis, did you read my response carefully? I never mentioned anything about cumulative loss. I said at any given moment they would be down 20 if they managed the roster as best as possible. I also disagree with with your "any way you slice it" comment. Here's one way of slicing it where you're incorrect. At he end of 4 years will they only have 5 on their roster? You claim they will have lost 80, but they won't be down that number so only being able to carry 65 cannot be accumulated to 80 total.

I understand what you are saying now. I think my mistake was to count the 20 they have to go down(65max) and multiply it by 4 to get a number of total lost.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Back to the original point of the thread, if we get hit with 15 ships over 3 years, then how is that broken down? Would we be at 80 for three years or would it be 80, 75, and 70?

 

[bomb]

Back to the original point of the thread, if we get hit with 15 ships over 3 years, then how is that broken down? Would we be at 80 for three years or would it be 80, 75, and 70?

80 for 3 years with max classes of 20.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Back to the original point of the thread, if we get hit with 15 ships over 3 years, then how is that broken down? Would we be at 80 for three years or would it be 80, 75, and 70?

80 for 3 years with max classes of 20.

Thanks bomb. That is what I thought.

 

[ricocane]

Back to the original point of the thread, if we get hit with 15 ships over 3 years, then how is that broken down? Would we be at 80 for three years or would it be 80, 75, and 70?

80 for 3 years with max classes of 20.

What did ohio TAINT get hit with? Was it 8 total over 2 or 3 years? I kinda think (hope) our medicine will be similar.