DT Recruiting

[HurricaneUWW]

I would like to see us add 2 DTs (1 being Briggs hopefully), and another DE maybe 2. Even with Rousseau and Chatfield those guys are both undersized and won’t be ready to be more than 3rd string.

Assuming we lose both Norton and McIntosh in addition to Moton graduating, the depth chart is likely:

SDE: Djax/DJ Johnson, Chatfield
3T: Willis, Bethel, Martin
NT: Ford, Nesta/Goldwire
WDE: Joe Jack, Garvin, Rousseau

Not much depth if we have any injuries. I don’t see them not moving Patch back to DE, especially with DJax coming off injury. We don’t have any LBs that could rush the passer from the edge unless we sign a guy like Joyner or Bonitto and slide a DE inside on passing downs

 

[PUNCICANE]

That is not thin especially when you add the freshman being coached up by a guy like coach kool. Not to mention the guys who can slide inside ala djack who has the frame to get up to 290 or so

You are the Al Golden of this board. And you probably take that as a compliment ....

 

[brock]

That is not thin especially when you add the freshman being coached up by a guy like coach kool. Not to mention the guys who can slide inside ala djack who has the frame to get up to 290 or so

Martin has yet to contribute and Ford (who's a true frosh) has already surpassed him on the depth chart. So far after 2 years, he's starting to stray more towards a guy that won't get meaningful snaps here. Nesta looks like the real deal at the collegiate level. But he's not an EE and that's concerning. I suspect he'll have the same impact that Ford has had this year, next season - which is playing snaps sparingly. One injury to either Willis, Bethel, Ford or Silvera would be a serious issue. You need depth in the trenches. Bringing Norton back (I think RJ's gone) is important.

I’m not even counting on martin beyond a 5th or 6thdt
Regardless
Willis
Bethel
Ford
Silvera
Plus whoever else we bring in
Fines/Marin
Combo de/dts on the roster(dj and djack)
We we will be more than fine period

You're not accounting for injuries. Having true freshman in your 2-deep is not a recipe for success - regardless of Nesta is a potential 5-star talent. I've said it before and I'll say it again, our success this year has been predicated on the D-line; specifically our ability to disrupt in the middle with DTs. I've been on the bring a JUCO DT bandwagon for sometime and will stay on it; unless Norton and/or RJ decide to come back one more year.

If you move DJ and D-Jackson inside, that takes away depth on the ends. The defensive end depth looks like the following:

J Jackson
D Jackson
Garvin
Johnson
Rousseau (TF and likely RS candidate)
Chatfield* (if he commits)

Rousseau will need to RS and build up his body for the collegiate level. Chatfield could play his freshman year, but he's not even committed yet. Taking 2 of your players in the 2-deep is asking for trouble. Especially at a position where injuries tend to occur at a regular basis. We just had to move Patchan over from DE to TE and may have to move him back.

You know, there is no rule in place that says you can't be concerned about depth. You seem do be doubling down here.

This is what kool get paid the big bucks for, he is the best assistant coach in the country in developing talent so it doesn’t matter who is in there they will produce

 

[orange&green84]

That is not thin especially when you add the freshman being coached up by a guy like coach kool. Not to mention the guys who can slide inside ala djack who has the frame to get up to 290 or so

Martin has yet to contribute and Ford (who's a true frosh) has already surpassed him on the depth chart. So far after 2 years, he's starting to stray more towards a guy that won't get meaningful snaps here. Nesta looks like the real deal at the collegiate level. But he's not an EE and that's concerning. I suspect he'll have the same impact that Ford has had this year, next season - which is playing snaps sparingly. One injury to either Willis, Bethel, Ford or Silvera would be a serious issue. You need depth in the trenches. Bringing Norton back (I think RJ's gone) is important.

I’m not even counting on martin beyond a 5th or 6thdt
Regardless
Willis
Bethel
Ford
Silvera
Plus whoever else we bring in
Fines/Marin
Combo de/dts on the roster(dj and djack)
We we will be more than fine period

You're not accounting for injuries. Having true freshman in your 2-deep is not a recipe for success - regardless of Nesta is a potential 5-star talent. I've said it before and I'll say it again, our success this year has been predicated on the D-line; specifically our ability to disrupt in the middle with DTs. I've been on the bring a JUCO DT bandwagon for sometime and will stay on it; unless Norton and/or RJ decide to come back one more year.

If you move DJ and D-Jackson inside, that takes away depth on the ends. The defensive end depth looks like the following:

J Jackson
D Jackson
Garvin
Johnson
Rousseau (TF and likely RS candidate)
Chatfield* (if he commits)

Rousseau will need to RS and build up his body for the collegiate level. Chatfield could play his freshman year, but he's not even committed yet. Taking 2 of your players in the 2-deep is asking for trouble. Especially at a position where injuries tend to occur at a regular basis. We just had to move Patchan over from DE to TE and may have to move him back.

You know, there is no rule in place that says you can't be concerned about depth. You seem do be doubling down here.

This is what kool get paid the big bucks for, he is the best assistant coach in the country in developing talent so it doesn’t matter who is in there they will produce

Please point out where I'm faulting Kool. Kool develops the talent that's there. He can't prevent injuries.

As good as Kool is, every kid has their ceiling. Ford (uber-talented) came in and got playing time over Martin as well as Fines and Ford was a kid that came here in mid-August. Martin still has time to improve, ****, some players just take longer to develop then others. At this point, Fines is a ST/garbage time body.

Again, your inability to simply grasp the potential depth concerns is mind numbingly amusing. It's simply okay to say, "you're probably right, hopefully the staff has some players in the pipeline" or some ish like that.

 

[brock]

Martin has yet to contribute and Ford (who's a true frosh) has already surpassed him on the depth chart. So far after 2 years, he's starting to stray more towards a guy that won't get meaningful snaps here. Nesta looks like the real deal at the collegiate level. But he's not an EE and that's concerning. I suspect he'll have the same impact that Ford has had this year, next season - which is playing snaps sparingly. One injury to either Willis, Bethel, Ford or Silvera would be a serious issue. You need depth in the trenches. Bringing Norton back (I think RJ's gone) is important.

I’m not even counting on martin beyond a 5th or 6thdt
Regardless
Willis
Bethel
Ford
Silvera
Plus whoever else we bring in
Fines/Marin
Combo de/dts on the roster(dj and djack)
We we will be more than fine period

You're not accounting for injuries. Having true freshman in your 2-deep is not a recipe for success - regardless of Nesta is a potential 5-star talent. I've said it before and I'll say it again, our success this year has been predicated on the D-line; specifically our ability to disrupt in the middle with DTs. I've been on the bring a JUCO DT bandwagon for sometime and will stay on it; unless Norton and/or RJ decide to come back one more year.

If you move DJ and D-Jackson inside, that takes away depth on the ends. The defensive end depth looks like the following:

J Jackson
D Jackson
Garvin
Johnson
Rousseau (TF and likely RS candidate)
Chatfield* (if he commits)

Rousseau will need to RS and build up his body for the collegiate level. Chatfield could play his freshman year, but he's not even committed yet. Taking 2 of your players in the 2-deep is asking for trouble. Especially at a position where injuries tend to occur at a regular basis. We just had to move Patchan over from DE to TE and may have to move him back.

You know, there is no rule in place that says you can't be concerned about depth. You seem do be doubling down here.

This is what kool get paid the big bucks for, he is the best assistant coach in the country in developing talent so it doesn’t matter who is in there they will produce

Please point out where I'm faulting Kool. Kool develops the talent that's there. He can't prevent injuries.

As good as Kool is, every kid has their ceiling. Ford (uber-talented) came in and got playing time over Martin as well as Fines and Ford was a kid that came here in mid-August. Martin still has time to improve, ****, some players just take longer to develop then others. At this point, Fines is a ST/garbage time body.

Again, your inability to simply grasp the potential depth concerns is mind numbingly amusing. It's simply okay to say, "you're probably right, hopefully the staff has some players in the pipeline" or some ish like that.

Chill man, I’m not saying you are.

 

[Tony Perps]

Lol brock is so atrocious.

 

[caneallday21]

At both dline spots we aren't going to be loaded so it is tricky especially if we start getting injuries next year so we do have to finish strong at both spots

 

[JayCane20]

More concerned about the fact that we only have DJax coming off what looks like a significant knee injury, Joe Jackson, Garvin, and DJ Johnson at DE. Rousseau isn't going to be ready physically year 1 and same for Chatfield if he comes in. Neither enroll early.

Maybe Patchan goes back to DE. But that's 3 guys at DE for the spring most likely. Maybe 5 ready for the season. Ideally you have 6 that can play and 7-8 on the roster that are healthy

Agree 100%. Folks are not worried about the DE position but we lose our 2 deep on the left side. Not easy to replace. Sure, you can say that maybe we move over DJax, Garvin, etc to that side but how realistic is that? Right now, as of the spring, it's DJ and Patchan (if he returns) at LDE. That's not very good depth.

Take Patchan off TE and you have Irving and Polendey until the studs enroll in the summer. We're gonna be thin somewhere regardless. Patchan to DE in the spring.. he's gonna get a ton of reps especially with Djack out and no EE coming in. He could take that next step after all the attention from Kool

 

[orange&green84]

At both dline spots we aren't going to be loaded so it is tricky especially if we start getting injuries next year so we do have to finish strong at both spots

You get it

 

[SpikeUM]

After seeing our front four dominate two ranked teams on national television, all coached up by Kool to be first/second round picks, are you guys really worried that Kool and the rest of the coaches wont recruit enough quality DL?

 

[MotoSniper]

Willis/Ford/Bethel/Nesta is a decent rotation, but we need more depth. Fines and Martin would have to make huge off-season gains to get into the rotation.

Fines is a serviceable rotation player to get ~10 snaps a game if needed. Don't forget that DJ Johnson can also roll inside much like Thomas has done and passing downs to add to a speed rush.

 

[AUcane]

After seeing our front four dominate two ranked teams on national television, all coached up by Kool to be first/second round picks, are you guys really worried that Kool and the rest of the coaches wont recruit enough quality DL?

Long term? No. We’re all talking about 2018 season.

 

[caneallday21]

After seeing our front four dominate two ranked teams on national television, all coached up by Kool to be first/second round picks, are you guys really worried that Kool and the rest of the coaches wont recruit enough quality DL?

It's not about coaching it's about depth. Look at Bama they're getting torn up with injuries and looking at our depth especially at dt if Ford and Bethel get hurt man we're pushing it. Norton and McIntosh may honestly be the tipping point of an undefeated season next year and they know it

 

[orange&green84]

After seeing our front four dominate two ranked teams on national television, all coached up by Kool to be first/second round picks, are you guys really worried that Kool and the rest of the coaches wont recruit enough quality DL?

No. It's posters saying that we're fine with the depth we have as we stand pat, even if we lose both Norton and McIntosh. A depth chart that includes only Willis, Bethel, Ford and Silvera (we don't know what we have with Martin and I'm not even counting Fines), is very little depth.

 

[orange&green84]

After seeing our front four dominate two ranked teams on national television, all coached up by Kool to be first/second round picks, are you guys really worried that Kool and the rest of the coaches wont recruit enough quality DL?

It's not about coaching it's about depth. Look at Bama they're getting torn up with injuries and looking at our depth especially at dt if Ford and Bethel get hurt man we're pushing it. Norton and McIntosh may honestly be the tipping point of an undefeated season next year and they know it

You also get it

 

[5XNC]

Who knows when djax is coming back? Do we know the injury?

 

[SpikeUM]

After seeing our front four dominate two ranked teams on national television, all coached up by Kool to be first/second round picks, are you guys really worried that Kool and the rest of the coaches wont recruit enough quality DL?

No. It's posters saying that we're fine with the depth we have as we stand pat, even if we lose both Norton and McIntosh. A depth chart that includes only Willis, Bethel, Ford and Silvera (we don't know what we have with Martin and I'm not even counting Fines), is very little depth.

Suggest you reread my post. We will get as many DL as we want or need, they arent necessarily public right now. No need to fret or panic.

 

[JayCane20]

More concerned about the fact that we only have DJax coming off what looks like a significant knee injury, Joe Jackson, Garvin, and DJ Johnson at DE. Rousseau isn't going to be ready physically year 1 and same for Chatfield if he comes in. Neither enroll early.

Maybe Patchan goes back to DE. But that's 3 guys at DE for the spring most likely. Maybe 5 ready for the season. Ideally you have 6 that can play and 7-8 on the roster that are healthy

Agree 100%. Folks are not worried about the DE position but we lose our 2 deep on the left side. Not easy to replace. Sure, you can say that maybe we move over DJax, Garvin, etc to that side but how realistic is that? Right now, as of the spring, it's DJ and Patchan (if he returns) at LDE. That's not very good depth.

Take Patchan off TE and you have Irving and Polendey until the studs enroll in the summer. We're gonna be thin somewhere regardless. Patchan to DE in the spring.. he's gonna get a ton of reps especially with Djack out and no EE coming in. He could take that next step after all the attention from Kool

Rousseau does EE so scratch that concern. Kool will have him ready

 

[AUcane]

Yeah but we don’t even know what position he’ll play

 

[Cans4life]

More concerned about the fact that we only have DJax coming off what looks like a significant knee injury, Joe Jackson, Garvin, and DJ Johnson at DE. Rousseau isn't going to be ready physically year 1 and same for Chatfield if he comes in. Neither enroll early.

Maybe Patchan goes back to DE. But that's 3 guys at DE for the spring most likely. Maybe 5 ready for the season. Ideally you have 6 that can play and 7-8 on the roster that are healthy

Agree 100%. Folks are not worried about the DE position but we lose our 2 deep on the left side. Not easy to replace. Sure, you can say that maybe we move over DJax, Garvin, etc to that side but how realistic is that? Right now, as of the spring, it's DJ and Patchan (if he returns) at LDE. That's not very good depth.

We need to sign another 1-2 DE's in this class.