DT Jared Goldwire update

[brock]

So anyway, I expect Miami to close with someone in audition to Nesta. We have Brown and Daxon for 2019. We'll prob get Ingram who will turn out to be a DT. We're fine. People get so worked up over nothing on this board.

It’s not even NSD for 2018 kids and you are already locking in 2019 kids, lol. Have you not learned anything? **** we already lost one 2019 DT commit.

3 DT’s in 2 years is **** poor. Even if our 2 guys came back, that’s sad. We need to do better, much better.

You sound really stupid here. Our dt situation is loaded right now every single kid on the roster is an nfl prospect. We only need one more to go with Silvera.

I don’t think loaded is there word you’re looking for here

More around the likes of scarce

Bethel
Willis
Ford
Fines
Martin
Silvera
One more 18 kid.
That's 7 studs right there, plus Jackson and Johnson on passing downs.

You all are going nuts crying over nothing.

This

 

[252cane]

It’s not even NSD for 2018 kids and you are already locking in 2019 kids, lol. Have you not learned anything? **** we already lost one 2019 DT commit.

3 DT’s in 2 years is **** poor. Even if our 2 guys came back, that’s sad. We need to do better, much better.

You sound really stupid here. Our dt situation is loaded right now every single kid on the roster is an nfl prospect. We only need one more to go with Silvera.

I don’t think loaded is there word you’re looking for here

More around the likes of scarce

Bethel
Willis
Ford
Fines
Martin
Silvera
One more 18 kid.
That's 7 studs right there, plus Jackson and Johnson on passing downs.

You all are going nuts crying over nothing.

This

Are you really impressed with that list of names?

 

[jnf2257]

Can someone detail where this rumor came from? Was it some random poster, or Ivins/Sperman?

 

[TheRichtShow]

I'm thinking Norton coming back

Nope

Bad move on his part, IMO.

Not really. Norton stock aint getting much higher because he is a NT and likely a 2 down player in the nfl. He will probably go 3rd-4th round.

This is a really bad take. Norton is a 4-3 DT, not a NT at the next level. And he's like a 6th-7th round pick right now, if drafted at all.

DTs almost always benefit from staying in school and getting stronger/better technique. ****, Nnadi from FSU turned down being a 2nd round pick this past year to come back and get better.

You want him to leave though, because that gives you one more thing to be miserable about

 

[caneinpsl]

Can someone detail where this rumor came from? Was it some random poster, or Ivins/Sperman?

Not really sure, but Pete verified Goldwire isn't coming, which carries more weight than any rumor would have.

 

[brock]

You sound really stupid here. Our dt situation is loaded right now every single kid on the roster is an nfl prospect. We only need one more to go with Silvera.

I don’t think loaded is there word you’re looking for here

More around the likes of scarce

Bethel
Willis
Ford
Fines
Martin
Silvera
One more 18 kid.
That's 7 studs right there, plus Jackson and Johnson on passing downs.

You all are going nuts crying over nothing.

This

Are you really impressed with that list of names?

With
5star Willis
4star bethel
3 star ford
4 star silvera
Dj johnson and djack sliding inside on some plays? Not too concerned at all, anyone who knows football shouldnt be either

That’s 4 high level dt prospects imo and that’s not including the combo de/dt guys(djack and dj

 

[jnf2257]

I'm thinking Norton coming back

Nope

Bad move on his part, IMO.

Not really. Norton stock aint getting much higher because he is a NT and likely a 2 down player in the nfl. He will probably go 3rd-4th round.

This is a really bad take. Norton is a 4-3 DT, not a NT at the next level. And he's like a 6th-7th round pick right now, if drafted at all.

DTs almost always benefit from staying in school and getting stronger/better technique. ****, Nnadi from FSU turned down being a 2nd round pick this past year to come back and get better.

You want him to leave though, because that gives you one more thing to be miserable about

Nnadi still gonna be a second round pick. Didn't really help him at all coming back.

 

[252cane]

I'm thinking Norton coming back

Nope

Bad move on his part, IMO.

Not really. Norton stock aint getting much higher because he is a NT and likely a 2 down player in the nfl. He will probably go 3rd-4th round.

This is a really bad take. Norton is a 4-3 DT, not a NT at the next level. And he's like a 6th-7th round pick right now, if drafted at all.

DTs almost always benefit from staying in school and getting stronger/better technique. ****, Nnadi from FSU turned down being a 2nd round pick this past year to come back and get better.

You want him to leave though, because that gives you one more thing to be miserable about

You are wrong. Norton can play NT in a 3-4 or 4-3. And norton is being projected higher than 6-7th round. Nnadi draft stock didnt improve by him coming back either because he still is being projected in the 2nd round. And clown i aint miserable about shît. Now go eat a aid dîck.

 

[jnf2257]

Can someone detail where this rumor came from? Was it some random poster, or Ivins/Sperman?

Not really sure, but Pete verified Goldwire isn't coming, which carries more weight than any rumor would have.

Missed that post along the way. Thanks

 

[brock]

Hope this allows the staff to double back on both Briggs and Jamarcus Chapman. Not a fan of juco like that.

 

[Loose Cannon]

I'm thinking Norton coming back

Nope

Have either of McIntosh or Norton received any sort of draft grades, or is this just a gut feeling? I'm on record as saying that I think Norton will grade out higher, but neither of these guys are going before the 3rd. I haven't seen a draft analysis that has Norton rated higher than the 16th best DT or projected above rounds 3-5. I also haven't seen RJ rated in the top 25 among draft eligible DT's.

 

[fincane]

Rj was the 780th rated prospect in 2015.
Norton was the 360th rated prospect in 2015.

Both 3 stars, both totally dismissed by the typical over emotional whining womanly fans on this site.

Now, they are legit nfl prospects as TRUE JUNIORS, the best duo in the country.

These same shortsighted over emotional star whoring fans have now discounted Fines and Martin. Stupidity repeats itself over and over I guess.

Norton and McIntosh were very highly thought of on this board when they committed back in 2015. Not sure where you got the idea that they weren't as you've only been on CIS since April. https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/canes/80310?highlight=mcintosh

Not really true. Norton was thought to be a better G prospect and he didn't have that much film as a DT. Miami was one of the few schools to want him at his preferred position and it was one of the reasons he chose to sign. Auburn and others wanting him at OG was used as a slight at the previous staff. "They got a DT because the other schools wanted him as a guard."

And most people on here thought he was the perfect NG for the D we were running. Nobody trashed the kid.

I didn't say he was trashed but their wasn't some consensus about his potential when other schools with better defenses and coaches wanted him to play OG and not DT. He was a 4-star guard and a 3-star DT. He wasn't considered and elite DT and I don't remember anyone saying he could be a 3 and out guy.

Mostly it was relief that after only having Fines committed that another big body picked us. McIntosh was considered and DE in that defense.

 

[orange&green84]

DT recruiting has been the elephant in the room. Beating out Louisville and Oregon State for a mid level juco coming off a knee injury wouldn't have changed much imo

What elephant? Our dt depth is fine. We are at 6 now and only need 1 more. Losing goldwire means nothing.

Where do you get we're at 6 from?

Willis
Ford
Bethel
Silvera (True FR)
Martin
Fines

That's 6 bodies. That's not 6 true DTs. Martin hasn't played a snap at Miami. Fines is not a Miami-quality DT. Technically we're at 4.

And Silvera as a true freshman shouldn't be in the 2-deep this early and heavily relied upon; but he's going to have to because the numbers and quality of depth aren't there.

Again, that's your subjective opinion. A lot of people disagree with you. Kool wouldn't have all 6 dressed on gamedays i he didn't think they were up to his standards

A lot of people don't disagree with me. Fines has barely played a snap here. Martin got passed up on the depth chart by a true freshman.

You keep confusing numbers with quality depth. We only have 4 projected next year, one of which is a true freshman. The other is a guy who's got strong promise, has played football for 1 year and a half over 4 years.

 

[252cane]

I don’t think loaded is there word you’re looking for here

More around the likes of scarce

Bethel
Willis
Ford
Fines
Martin
Silvera
One more 18 kid.
That's 7 studs right there, plus Jackson and Johnson on passing downs.

You all are going nuts crying over nothing.

This

Are you really impressed with that list of names?

With
5star Willis
4star bethel
3 star ford
4 star silvera
Dj johnson and djack sliding inside on some plays? Not too concerned at all, anyone who knows football shouldnt be either

That’s 4 high level dt prospects imo and that’s not including the combo de/dt guys(djack and dj

Where are the 4 high level DTs? How do you know nesta will be ready to play day 1? Is ford ready to go from barely playing to starter? Can bethel hold up inside?

 

[brock]

DT recruiting has been the elephant in the room. Beating out Louisville and Oregon State for a mid level juco coming off a knee injury wouldn't have changed much imo

What elephant? Our dt depth is fine. We are at 6 now and only need 1 more. Losing goldwire means nothing.

Where do you get we're at 6 from?

Willis
Ford
Bethel
Silvera (True FR)
Martin
Fines

That's 6 bodies. That's not 6 true DTs. Martin hasn't played a snap at Miami. Fines is not a Miami-quality DT. Technically we're at 4.

And Silvera as a true freshman shouldn't be in the 2-deep this early and heavily relied upon; but he's going to have to because the numbers and quality of depth aren't there.

Again, that's your subjective opinion. A lot of people disagree with you. Kool wouldn't have all 6 dressed on gamedays i he didn't think they were up to his standards

A lot of people don't disagree with me. Fines has barely played a snap here. Martin got passed up on the depth chart by a true freshman.

You keep confusing numbers with quality depth. We only have 4 projected next year, one of which is a true freshman. The other is a guy who's got strong promise, has played football for 1 year and a half over 4 years.

How much meaningful playing time are the backup guys at dt from clemson getting?...

 

[TheRichtShow]

Ya'll are also forgetting we already have a really good 2nd DT in this class: Realus

Seriously watch his film. Coach George was a **** good DT for Pace. He's already like 260-270. Put 10-15 lbs on him and let him play both ways

 

[brock]

Bethel
Willis
Ford
Fines
Martin
Silvera
One more 18 kid.
That's 7 studs right there, plus Jackson and Johnson on passing downs.

You all are going nuts crying over nothing.

This

Are you really impressed with that list of names?

With
5star Willis
4star bethel
3 star ford
4 star silvera
Dj johnson and djack sliding inside on some plays? Not too concerned at all, anyone who knows football shouldnt be either

That’s 4 high level dt prospects imo and that’s not including the combo de/dt guys(djack and dj

Where are the 4 high level DTs? How do you know nesta will be ready to play day 1? Is ford ready to go from barely playing to starter? Can bethel hold up inside?

Bethel has played all season long and has been doing very well. Ford has looked pretty good for a guy who missed all offseason training with the team. I’ve said last year when healthy Gerald Willis was Miami’s most dominant dt last year and Pete echoed that sentiment once again this year a few weeks back. Silvera is arguably the best dt in the country yet he can’t be considered a high level guy? Come tf on...

 

[jnf2257]

Ya'll are also forgetting we already have a really good 2nd DT in this class: Realus

Seriously watch his film. Coach George was a **** good DT for Pace. He's already like 260-270. Put 10-15 lbs on him and let him play both ways

You jumped the shark

 

[orange&green84]

This thread really points out the delusional ones as it relates to our potential lack of depth at DT. Sliding D-Jackson (265 lbs) and DJ Johnson (who's likely around 270). Those guys are suitable at D-end.

This is going to end up being one of those I told you so moments.

 

[fincane]

I'm thinking Norton coming back

Nope

Have either of McIntosh or Norton received any sort of draft grades, or is this just a gut feeling? I'm on record as saying that I think Norton will grade out higher, but neither of these guys are going before the 3rd. I haven't seen a draft analysis that has Norton rated higher than the 16th best DT or projected above rounds 3-5. I also haven't seen RJ rated in the top 25 among draft eligible DT's.

Norton will also only be 20 years old at the time of the draft I believe. The NFL doesn't usually look for babies at the position he is playing. He also had a worse year than his sophomore year. It is an odd decision. Then again the Michael Jackson rumor of leaving is odd too. He's got one year of film. Three underclassmen who weren't dominant and didn't have any draft hype coming into the season are leaning towards leaving. The 2nd team all-american safety has decided to stay. Just wacky