Do Coley / Cristobal Hirings Reflect New Philosophy by AG?

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As I'm reading one of the posts regarding our remaining 2013 targets and the stockpile of local 2014 talent, I'm starting to wonder if the Cristobal and Coley hires reflect a shift in philosophy by Golden.

I think his initial staff was comprised of both recruiters and teachers, and some that do both well. It was, I think, a good mix. But then we lose arguably our top position coach, who, by all accounts, was a good technician and teacher, and we replace him with a dominant recruiter (especially locally), who, admittedly, is probably not a superb technician with TEs and we shift Carroll over to WRs, a position he has never coached. Overall, this is, I think, a fantastic move, though I would, with the addition of Cristobal, prefer a teacher at WR coaching spot.

Then, we lose our offensive coordinator--by all accounts, not a major recruiter (besides QBs)--and our first and only target is Coley, a recruiting juggernaut--again, especially in SoFla--with marginal playcalling experience (at FIU). Again, I believe a very good move, given how well-received it's been and, most important, that I trust AG and that this was his only target. But again, the recruiting impact here is maybe the bigger splash.

Has Golden perhaps realized that there is national caliber talent within Dade and Broward--the kind of talent that only requires us to leave the state for a few select spots--but that we haven't been doing a good enough job in coralling all that talent and keeping it here? Is he employing a Jimmys and Joes over Xs and Os philosophy, after seeing the abundance of local talent? Has he realized we didn't have enough local ties in recruiting to secure the top local kids, and were these hires--of monster recruiters in SoFla--his amazing way of fixing this problem?

I think this is the case. I think Golden sees that the talent here is off the charts, and that so long as he keeps the best kids at UM, we can compete for a BCS bowl year in and year out. Maybe once Golden has entrenched himself down here with the local schools, he doesn't need to focus on the recruiting angle as much in the future, but for now, I think he's staging a massive assault on the local recruiting scene as his central priority.
 
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I just think he realizes you can't do anything without elite talent. I don't think there was EVER a problem emphasizing local talent. He has done a great job from day one.
 
I just think he realizes you can't do anything without elite talent. I don't think there was EVER a problem emphasizing local talent. He has done a great job from day one.

Agreed. I also tend to think that Golden does not view it as sacrificing teaching for recrutiing, but actually believes in Coley/Cristobal to do both at an extremley high level. His track record for player development is extremley strong, and I doubt he would intentionally weaken the teaching ability of the staff, without full faith that the new guys coming in could at least come close to equaling their predecessors. JMO.
 
I think I disagree. I think right now he's focusing on recruiting, and he would rather take a guy like Coley over a guy like Fisch given the local high school talent that's coming through the pipeline shortly.

I just think he realizes you can't do anything without elite talent. I don't think there was EVER a problem emphasizing local talent. He has done a great job from day one.

Agreed. I also tend to think that Golden does not view it as sacrificing teaching for recrutiing, but actually believes in Coley/Cristobal to do both at an extremley high level. His track record for player development is extremley strong, and I doubt he would intentionally weaken the teaching ability of the staff, without full faith that the new guys coming in could at least come close to equaling their predecessors. JMO.
 
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Cristobal and Coley are legitimate pitbulls as recruiters...Golden Al, is, too, a pitbull as a recruiter...when you see yourself in other people, you often want those people around because you know what they are capable of and know what they are willing to do to make sure the job is done.
 
Get elite talent, win big and recruiting there after will take care of itself. If saban hires the worst recruiters in the country he would still have a top ten class. Its why coaching turnover at bama never has an impact. When coaches win big recruiting takes care of itself. IMO
 
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I don't think so. I think Cristobal fell into Miami's lap and Coley, who apparently is a better coach/coordinator than he's being given credit for, was given an opportunity to show what he can do when Fisch left. I don't think Golden would have entrusted the OC position to someone just based on their recruiting. It's too important and there's enough recruiters on the staff now. I see the recruiting as just being a huge bonus with him.
 
As I'm reading one of the posts regarding our remaining 2013 targets and the stockpile of local 2014 talent, I'm starting to wonder if the Cristobal and Coley hires reflect a shift in philosophy by Golden.

I think his initial staff was comprised of both recruiters and teachers, and some that do both well. It was, I think, a good mix. But then we lose arguably our top position coach, who, by all accounts, was a good technician and teacher, and we replace him with a dominant recruiter (especially locally), who, admittedly, is probably not a superb technician with TEs and we shift Carroll over to WRs, a position he has never coached. Overall, this is, I think, a fantastic move, though I would, with the addition of Cristobal, prefer a teacher at WR coaching spot.

Then, we lose our offensive coordinator--by all accounts, not a major recruiter (besides QBs)--and our first and only target is Coley, a recruiting juggernaut--again, especially in SoFla--with marginal playcalling experience (at FIU). Again, I believe a very good move, given how well-received it's been and, most important, that I trust AG and that this was his only target. But again, the recruiting impact here is maybe the bigger splash.

Has Golden perhaps realized that there is national caliber talent within Dade and Broward--the kind of talent that only requires us to leave the state for a few select spots--but that we haven't been doing a good enough job in coralling all that talent and keeping it here? Is he employing a Jimmys and Joes over Xs and Os philosophy, after seeing the abundance of local talent? Has he realized we didn't have enough local ties in recruiting to secure the top local kids, and were these hires--of monster recruiters in SoFla--his amazing way of fixing this problem?

I think this is the case. I think Golden sees that the talent here is off the charts, and that so long as he keeps the best kids at UM, we can compete for a BCS bowl year in and year out. Maybe once Golden has entrenched himself down here with the local schools, he doesn't need to focus on the recruiting angle as much in the future, but for now, I think he's staging a massive assault on the local recruiting scene as his central priority.

Golden had to emphasis player development in Temple, and his first couple of years here because of lack of available talent.

Not saying player development is not important but I think he understand geographically that there are elite athletes down here and that in it of itself can overcome some technique deficiencies.

College is a lot more about players than schemes, which is exactly why Saban is successful in college but was not in the NFL which is much more about parity.
 
On the whole, give me elite talent and good coaching. That's my point -- I think Coley is just that: an elite recruiter and (hopefully) a good to very good coordinator. You can be a defensive mastermind, but if you don't have the personnel, it doesn't matter. Ideally, you have a mix of teachers / schemers and recruiters. But if you skew to one side, perhaps it should be recruiting?
 
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I'm not sure I agree, Golden has proven that they can develop players that weren't big name recruits and not only turn them into good football players but also into NFL picks. I still think the staff has good balance. Coley slants more too recruiting (at least for now) but from all I heard Mario was a great TE's coach as well as recruiter. has anybody seen what COley duties will be i.e will he also be QB coach or do u think we bring in another coach for that. I'd assume Coley would coach QB's with the money he is making
 
Al realizes the talent hole he has been saddled with and is trying to cut the time of restocking by at least 2 years.
 
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I'm not convinced that Carroll can't do a really good job coaching WR's. He's not George McDonald, but Carroll for some reason gets no credit for the job he's done with Walford. Walford played one year of HS football, and now he looks like a future NFLer under Carroll. I think he's a smart kid who can figure out how to coach WR's.
 
No.

If FIU doesn't fire Cristobal and Fisch stays we don't have either.

Just right place at the right time.
 
We've never really seen FSU and co. go all out like we've seen them this year. With sanctions and top notch recruiters they made their move.

Golden saw a chance to take a calculated risk and go check mate on recruiting, and he took it. I don't know that it's as complicated as a change in philosophy as it's a chance to cash in on these two years in South Florida.
 
As I'm reading one of the posts regarding our remaining 2013 targets and the stockpile of local 2014 talent, I'm starting to wonder if the Cristobal and Coley hires reflect a shift in philosophy by Golden.

I think his initial staff was comprised of both recruiters and teachers, and some that do both well. It was, I think, a good mix. But then we lose arguably our top position coach, who, by all accounts, was a good technician and teacher, and we replace him with a dominant recruiter (especially locally), who, admittedly, is probably not a superb technician with TEs and we shift Carroll over to WRs, a position he has never coached. Overall, this is, I think, a fantastic move, though I would, with the addition of Cristobal, prefer a teacher at WR coaching spot.

Then, we lose our offensive coordinator--by all accounts, not a major recruiter (besides QBs)--and our first and only target is Coley, a recruiting juggernaut--again, especially in SoFla--with marginal playcalling experience (at FIU). Again, I believe a very good move, given how well-received it's been and, most important, that I trust AG and that this was his only target. But again, the recruiting impact here is maybe the bigger splash.

Has Golden perhaps realized that there is national caliber talent within Dade and Broward--the kind of talent that only requires us to leave the state for a few select spots--but that we haven't been doing a good enough job in coralling all that talent and keeping it here? Is he employing a Jimmys and Joes over Xs and Os philosophy, after seeing the abundance of local talent? Has he realized we didn't have enough local ties in recruiting to secure the top local kids, and were these hires--of monster recruiters in SoFla--his amazing way of fixing this problem?

I think this is the case. I think Golden sees that the talent here is off the charts, and that so long as he keeps the best kids at UM, we can compete for a BCS bowl year in and year out. Maybe once Golden has entrenched himself down here with the local schools, he doesn't need to focus on the recruiting angle as much in the future, but for now, I think he's staging a massive assault on the local recruiting scene as his central priority.

He may not have realized the effort it would take to lock down So Fla. And the sanctions plus FSU's hype and Alabama's success haven't helped.

But IMO it's not that simple. There is a ton of talent next year in So Fla. With Olson on board, and Treon Harris a likely next year's QB, it's two years before he needs a QB coach. Kehoe may not have that much time left. Carroll may move on. I'd expect a couple new coaches a year from now.

As far as Xs and Os vs. talent generally, I doubt AG thinks there's more talent here than he originally expected -- he had to know the talent level. And I doubt he thinks Xs and Os don't matter.

IMO Coley's a very well regarded rising star in coaching. Cristobal is a no brainer. Neither hire reveals much to me other than a best athlete approach to hiring by AG.
 
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