Did we really ONLY get 4 'ships taken away? (please read)

bomb

Band
Banned
Joined
Nov 4, 2011
Messages
3,522
This is an edited rehash of what I wrote in another thread, but its important and IMO the NCAA scholarship reductions are almost toothless, and for show to save a little face, after being managed by Donna Shalala.

Bear with me.

USC etc got reductions, but they were not only against the 85 cap but per class as well. 15/15/15. THAT is the thing that really hamstrings a program. You can't oversign to make up for attrition.

Staying at a slightly reduced cap against the 85 isn't a big deal. Its when you need a class of 28 kids and you can only sign 16 because you are limited to a specifically smaller class that year (like 15, or even 22). USC was limited to SPECIFIC class sizes of 15/15/15.

From what it appears, we do NOT have any class restrictions! It isn't noted anywhere. I THINK, we're just held to 82. Note this specific line:

3. Reduction in Athletics Awards. The total number of athletically related
financial aid awards in football shall be reduced by a combined total of nine
during the 2014-15, 2015-16 and 2016-17 academic years. The institution shall
reduce the total number of athletics awards during each academic year. The
institution has the option of assigning the reductions during those years.


That bolded "option" at the end, signals to me that all we have to do is stay at 82. NO SPECIFIC CLASS REDUCTIONS.

If we were limited to 22/22/22 over three years, we'd end up playing down at 72 or so in the end, not 82. The attrition in that 22/22/22 case would be cumulative because you are continuously prevented from oversigning to make up for smaller classes and lost kids. It would have hurt and hamstrung us even after it was all over, as USC will be ****ed for the next few years.

Guys, we, and may other schools play below the cap all the time. Its hard to get it perfect. If I am interpreting this correctly, these reductions are practically just for show. We got off.

For further example, USC is near 55 right now, even though they are allowed to be at 75. That's how crippling specific class size restrictions are. They needed a LOT more than 15 kids each year to get to 75, but were capped at 15 over and over. That's why I am explaining that 22/22/22 would have been far more crippling for us than just the 9 with "The institution has the option of assigning the reductions during those years." We would have ended up down at 72 in 3 years, not 82. Because we just wouldn't have been able to add enough kids.

Guys, we truly skated. Lets say that with ZERO reductions, normal operations, we would have ended up with rosters of 83, 84, and 83 over the next three years, just being careful not to mis-manage the roster. That's normal. A kid gets gets hurt too late to add a kid, etc. We're rarely at 85, if ever. We really are going to only lose 4 kids in my example where we would have played at 83, 84, and 83. Not 9. Because we were never going to magically be at 85/85/85 anyway. What it basically means is that we will lose maybe one kid at the bottom of the classes each year, a kid that we were on the fence about giving a ride to anyway, and a couple of walk ons that would have been awarded the final spot or two on the team as a thank you won't get it.

Make sense?

WE. ******* SKATED. The NCAA gave us a toothless scholarship reduction.

I am almost more concerned with that fact that we can only give recruits tickets to one home game a year, LOL.

Bless you, Donna, bless you. Well played.
 
Advertisement
The bottom line is that the NCAA COI realizes that the enforcement committee overreached beyond anything remotely acceptable. Not only was the enforcment section unethical in its blind and determined effort to slam UM, and unfair in the unimaginable length of the investigation, but they refused to admit their mistakes. In what universe does an investigative body create and rely on the oxymoronic "self corroboration"? It was a witchhunt, and thankfully it was exposed.

and the worst part of all, is that they received unprecedented cooperation and self-imposed sanctions from UM.
 
Wow, furthermore, aren't we only at 75 or so right now? Lets say that we grow the roster and play at 80 next year... that's 5 of the 9 already applied!! Then we play at 82 in 2015, and we can play at 84 in 2016!!!

Remember, the reductions are NOT specified to any single class.

"Reduction of football scholarship by a combined total of nine during the 2014-15, 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons."
 
Advertisement
since we are 9 under now can't we just take all 9 next year and count 9 EEs toward this year and be done? maybe it doesn't work that way...
 
Quote Originally Posted by DapperSlapper View Post
All wrong.

Don't forget -

"The institution shall reduce the total number of athletics awards during each academic year. The institution has the option of assigning the reductions during those years."

UM could do 1, 1, then 7, etc.

Also note that only the total number is reduced, not initial counters. UM can take full classes as long as enough players leave each year so that 9 over 3 comes about (by any combination).

There must be at least 1 lost scholarship in each of the 3 years. Other than that UM can make it add up to 9 over 3 any way it wants.

THERE IS NO LIMIT ON INITIAL COUNTERS. UM can sign a full class every year of sanctions.
 
since we are 9 under now can't we just take all 9 next year and count 9 EEs toward this year and be done? maybe it doesn't work that way...

We don't have class caps as I illustrated. We could play at 76 next year, and be done with it, but I doubt the staff wants to do that. They want to bring in a full class this year. Why not spread it around? Like I said, its basically almost no penalty because we're usually closer to 82 than 85 anyway.
 
The best part is that it's really not even a penalty in practical perspective. In practical application, almost no team ever plays at a full 85. So, through normal attrition (like we have this year), we can pay our penalty. If 3 guys leave the team next year, then that's our 3. This is a penalty in name only. The fact that they didn't subtract initial counters is EVERYTHING.
 
Advertisement
since we are 9 under now can't we just take all 9 next year and count 9 EEs toward this year and be done? maybe it doesn't work that way...

We don't have class caps as I illustrated. We could play at 76 next year, and be done with it, but I doubt the staff wants to do that. They want to bring in a full class this year. Why not spread it around? Like I said, its basically almost no penalty because we're usually closer to 82 than 85 anyway.

Great insight in your posts, bomb! This is a classic win-win situation -- Miami gets a much more managable approach to scholarship reductions, and the NCAA can still claim that it imposed some sort of penalty on UM.

Why is a win-win possible? Because it is highly unlikely that any mainstream press will go through the analysis that bomb just did (or at least not report on it), and even less likely that most college football fans will understand the difference between what Miami "negotiated" and what other schools have received.

You can bet that this was a UM proposal, since I highly doubt that the NCAA would be this savvy. Way to go, DS and UM!
 
The best part is that it's really not even a penalty in practical perspective. In practical application, almost no team ever plays at a full 85. So, through normal attrition (like we have this year), we can pay our penalty. If 3 guys leave the team next year, then that's our 3. This is a penalty in name only. The fact that they didn't subtract initial counters is EVERYTHING.

Exactly. In the end, there are probably two or three 2-star type last into the class Plan-C kids that maybe would have been Canes, that now won't do to our reductions. And maybe a Walk on or 2 wont get a 1-year ship. These restrictions are completely toothless and for show because they didn't limit the individual classes.

We're at 75 NOW. If we only get to 80 this year, that's 5 already completed! Could play at 82 the next year, and 84 the third year lol. Basically these are numbers we probably would have played at ANYWAY. We almost never get to 85.
 
Manny Navarro ‏@Manny_Navarro now

So #UM can decide dice up the 9 football scholarships any way it wants over the 3 year period. Al Golden's decision Blake James said
 
Manny Navarro ‏@Manny_Navarro now

So #UM can decide dice up the 9 football scholarships any way it wants over the 3 year period. Al Golden's decision Blake James said

Golden was beyond pro-active with this stuff. Pretty sure he factored all of this in awhile back.
 
Advertisement
are we sure that we are at 75 now?

I dont know how many seniors we have + attrition + early departures (probably none) but lets say, we lose 25 after this year. we could add 30 more in this class and be at 80 next year (if we are at 75 now)
 
since we are 9 under now can't we just take all 9 next year and count 9 EEs toward this year and be done? maybe it doesn't work that way...

We don't have class caps as I illustrated. We could play at 76 next year, and be done with it, but I doubt the staff wants to do that. They want to bring in a full class this year. Why not spread it around? Like I said, its basically almost no penalty because we're usually closer to 82 than 85 anyway.

I don't think so.
The institution shall reduce the total number of athletics awards during each academic year. The
institution has the option of assigning the reductions during those years.

According to the language in the penalties, they must have some reduction in each of the years. So, the closest to your scenario would be 78, 84, 84. Which is still great
 
The handling of this from Shalala, Glazier, and Golden should become a case study in managing NCAA scandals. Brilliant all around.
 
Advertisement
Advertisement
Back
Top