idk why you're being a ****ing **** when I was literally just asking you just for your source on making that statement....which you still didn't provide. You gave a quote. Link me the **** article/rule from the NCAA so I can ****ing read it.
If you can't provide the proof why the **** should any of us believe you when pretty much everyone here knows of the rule that if you're recruited (ov/get official scholarship offer) in football, then even joining the football team transfers the scholarship... But if you aren't recruited the scholarship doesn't transfer until you play in a game.
i've never heard this 2 yr rule you're talking about which is why I want a link to the article so i can read it.
I suggest posters go read the entire rule 15.5.6.3 at
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D118.pdf
15.5.6.3.6
Aid First Awarded After Second Year. [FBS/FCS] A student-athlete who has been in residence at the certifying institution
for at least two academic years may receive athletically related financial aid for the first time
without such aid counting as an initial award, provided the aid falls within the overall grant limitation.
Ethnicsands has it right above.
But yeah Ethnicsands and I said the same thing: if you don't get recruited=OV, Coach Visit, official scholarship offer - then you only get counted as football scholly when you play in a game. If you have been recruited at all then join the football team you're counted that first practice against the initial 25 counter and 85 counter.
Only thing we didn't know was that if you start on a track scholarship, then after 2 yrs at the school play football, the scholarship applies to the 85 limit not the 25 per class limit.
Either way TheOriginalCane is wrong
That's not quite right. 15.5.6.3.6 only applies if you haven't received financial aid before. I think Javon Nanton practiced 2 years and was then awarded financial aid
the first time starting with his junior year. Thus, he counted against the 85 but not the 25. On the other hand, Jimmy Graham was receiving financial aid from basketball for 4 years before joining the football team, so 15.5.6.3.6 did not apply. Graham counted against both the 85 and the 25. If Burns comes in on track scholarship, 15.5.6.3.6 won't apply to him either.
Exactly.
We have no idea whether Burns will be on a track scholarship. A FULLY-FUNDED track team has 12.6 scholarships, and track is an equivalency sport, like baseball (i.e., you can award partial scholarships).
I do not know if Track is (currently) fully funded. When I was at UM, it was not, and I knew several people on the track team who were NOT on scholarship, they had academic scholarships. This is why UM track has always tried to get football players to run track, because we simply do not have enough scholarship track athletes to be a very good program across the board (great individuals, but not a great team).
The rules are tricky, and I will trust UM to apply them correctly. It is always weird when a kid with an equivalency PARTIAL scholarship begins to play a FULL scholarship sport (football, basketball). It didn't matter when Jimmy Graham did it, as he had a full-ride either way, and he had already played 4 years of hoops before ever walking on to the football team. Yes, he counted against the 85, NO he was not an "initial counter" against the football numbers. Which is the same rule for any upperclassman walk-on who receives a scholarship for football.
As I said from the beginning, 85 is the easy rule to meet, we are frequently under 85 scholarship players (though not usually as low as we are now). It is the 25 IC rule that is the tough one.
