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This defense could not possibly be any worse than it already is.

Maybe we shouldn't be playing our corners 25 yards off the ball at the snap against a team that runs the ball 90% of the time.

**** You Mark 'onofrio
 
rokulika said:
This defense could not possibly be any worse than it already is.

Maybe we shouldn't be playing our corners 25 yards off the ball at the snap against a team that runs the ball 90% of the time.

**** You Mark 'onofrio
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Exactly! It literally can't get worse. K St scored on every possession until K St tried to get cute and do the behind the back pass play.

Anyone saying that we're trying to protect the DBs from getting beat deep need to settle down because they're getting beat either way.
 
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For those of you who want the corners to press, you realize you're calling for an entirely different scheme, right? You can't press the corners and then play the rest of the zone the same way.

What scheme would you use?
 
LuCane said:
For those of you who want the corners to press, you realize you're calling for an entirely different scheme, right? You can't press the corners and then play the rest of the zone the same way.

What scheme would you use?
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The one where we don't get our asses thrashed on every play. Or just go cover 3 exclusively. We desperately need another guy playing near the LOS. We had 6 or 7 guys in the box over and over against KSU because they had 3 WR on the field.
 
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rokulika said:
LuCane said:
For those of you who want the corners to press, you realize you're calling for an entirely different scheme, right? You can't press the corners and then play the rest of the zone the same way.

What scheme would you use?
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The one where we don't get our asses thrashed on every play. Or just go cover 3 exclusively. We desperately need another guy playing near the LOS. We had 6 or 7 guys in the box over and over against KSU because they had 3 WR on the field.
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Ok, but let's be specific. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with any of you. My biggest issue with Golden/D'Ono is that they allow the opponent's offense to dictate the defense almost entirely.

If we go Cover 3, which is one alternative, do you still have your DLine playing the same way or do you make a complete philosophical change to slanting? If we play exclusively Cover 3 with our current Safeties, even if it's Bush's athleticism in the middle of the field, and our DLine plays gap control, the QB may have unusually large windows down the seams. It would be like watching the Maryland game last year.
 
Does the fact that Brett Romberg does not understand something really warrant starting a thread about it?
 
LuCane said:
rokulika said:
LuCane said:
For those of you who want the corners to press, you realize you're calling for an entirely different scheme, right? You can't press the corners and then play the rest of the zone the same way.

What scheme would you use?
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The one where we don't get our asses thrashed on every play. Or just go cover 3 exclusively. We desperately need another guy playing near the LOS. We had 6 or 7 guys in the box over and over against KSU because they had 3 WR on the field.
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Ok, but let's be specific. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with any of you. My biggest issue with Golden/D'Ono is that they allow the opponent's offense to dictate the defense almost entirely.

If we go Cover 3, which is one alternative, do you still have your DLine playing the same way or do you make a complete philosophical change to slanting? If we play exclusively Cover 3 with our current Safeties, even if it's Bush's athleticism in the middle of the field, and our DLine plays gap control, the QB may have unusually large windows down the seams. It would be like watching the Maryland game last year.
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I would almost guarantee that we have line slants in our defensive playbooks. Is it a staple.....it doesn't appear to be, but if the situation called for it then I'm sure they'll be dialed up. Just because we are a two gap D-line concept doesn't mean that is the case on every single snap, as long as we're gap sound. I'm also sure we have an assortment of defensive coverage schemes which include but aren't limited to Cover 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6.

We aren't in the meeting rooms and game planning sessions.
 
Big Sky Cane said:
LuCane said:
rokulika said:
LuCane said:
For those of you who want the corners to press, you realize you're calling for an entirely different scheme, right? You can't press the corners and then play the rest of the zone the same way.

What scheme would you use?
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The one where we don't get our asses thrashed on every play. Or just go cover 3 exclusively. We desperately need another guy playing near the LOS. We had 6 or 7 guys in the box over and over against KSU because they had 3 WR on the field.
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Ok, but let's be specific. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with any of you. My biggest issue with Golden/D'Ono is that they allow the opponent's offense to dictate the defense almost entirely.

If we go Cover 3, which is one alternative, do you still have your DLine playing the same way or do you make a complete philosophical change to slanting? If we play exclusively Cover 3 with our current Safeties, even if it's Bush's athleticism in the middle of the field, and our DLine plays gap control, the QB may have unusually large windows down the seams. It would be like watching the Maryland game last year.
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I would almost guarantee that we have line slants in our defensive playbooks. Is it a staple.....it doesn't appear to be, but if the situation called for it then I'm sure they'll be dialed up. Just because we are a two gap D-line concept doesn't mean that is the case on every single snap, as long as we're gap sound. I'm also sure we have an assortment of defensive coverage schemes which include but aren't limited to Cover 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6.

We aren't in the meeting rooms and game planning sessions.
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Difference between having them, using them and using them effectively. And, how much will we use them? That's what I mean by philosophical change. Those big moves rarely happen during the season at any level, but much less at the college level than say the NFL. As for the coverages, there are others who have correctly mentioned that HIGH SCHOOLS have multiple coverages. It's not a stretch to say we have them, obviously. It is, however, another thing altogether to use them and have players who feel comfortable in them (and switching between them). For reasons that I cannot explain because I'm not in on the practices or film studies, our guys seem very, very uncomfortable playing zone coverages.

That first game where you saw WRs running completely free in the slant holes between the Corner, Safety and over the LB...that was scary stuff. That's a combination of a lot of bad things: too much time for the QB, QB comfortable, DL being controlled with their hands down, LB not comfortable to get sufficient depth, Corner hesitant to carry a guy too far and Safeties hesitant to tighten the zone.
 
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I can say that our players are very very uncomfortable playing zone is it obvious. Now can we have to determine is this being uncomfortable do to a lack of playing within the scheme or Coach D delivering his message clearly to his players. My reasoning is the scout team is supposed to give Coach D and the 1's a good "look" so what did the ksu scout team do during the weak. Did he not watch film?
 
LuCane said:
For those of you who want the corners to press, you realize you're calling for an entirely different scheme, right? You can't press the corners and then play the rest of the zone the same way.

What scheme would you use?
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Lu, I don't understand D like you do, but there were numerous instances against KState where our CB's were in press coverage. Maybe we were in man on those situations.

But what blew my mind was that even though we were in press coverage, our CB's made no attempt to bump the WR at the snap of the ball. Instead they turned and ran immediately at the snap giving the WR's free releases. Can somebody explain why you would press and not try to bump? If you don't try to disrupt the timing of the route, even a running QB like Klein will pick you apart.
 
Noticed that the 2 posters ****ing and moaning the loudest were silent when asked what specifically, schematically, they thought could be done to fix things.

I act surprised.
 
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Let's get something straight here. What we are currently doing on defense is not working...at all. Our defense is currently abysmal. So for people saying that doing something different by- say pressing on a 4-3 cover 2 ala Shannon or something entirely different like a VT 3-4 zone blitz man on the outside is going to somehow make the defense worse is not making an intelligent discussion here. We are already at the bottom of the barrel defensively. What do we really have to lose by trying something different? Is there a bottom worse than the bottom of the barrel? Does 118 out of 118 make that much of a leap downwards from 114 out of 118?
 
Insanecane said:
What do we really have to lose by trying something different?
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You mean teach them a new defense in the middle of the season?

There are only so many adjustments a coach can make at this point. Tweaks here and there, but these guys are going to have to learn how to play this defense.
 
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