Boom or bust? Top 10 QBs in the Portal Era ('19-'23)

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We've seen the debate all over the forums- is it better to recruit QBs in high school or through the Portal?

Most agree you need both. But in terms of resource allocation, staffs often grapple between spending big in the Portal (with the benefit of college tape) or bidding on elite high school quarterbacks (who offer upside and years of production).

I went back to the first cycle of the Portal (2019) and compiled the Top 10 QBs over a five-year period. For the rankings, I used the 247...

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How the NIL clearinghouse shakes out will also factor in I think.

The B1G appears to be trying to use 2 year NIL commitment templates - if that becomes acceptable/standard practice, I think that could have a big impact on transfer availability. Could push back some of the importance on evaluation of QBs and locking them in out of HS.

If everything is year by year, than everything you said above makes sense.
 
Previously I thought you were nuts for this stance. But I've come to now agree with you.
Current state.. without any changes or laws or rules etc...the portal is where you get your next QB if you're a top program...highschool is practically depth recruiting now at that position.
 
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We've seen the debate all over the forums- is it better to recruit QBs in high school or the Portal?

Most agree you need both. But in terms of resource allocation, staffs often grapple between spending big in the Portal (with the benefit of college tape) or bidding on elite high school quarterbacks (who offer upside and years of production).

I went back to the first cycle of the Portal (2019) and compiled the Top 10 QBs over a five-year period. For the rankings, I used the 247 Composite score. Some of these players are still playing, so the stats are not complete in some cases. Below is what I found, with transfers in BOLD:

2019

1. Spencer Rattler

STATS: 10,807 yards (8.2 YPA), 77 TDs, 32 INTs, 16 rushing TDs
DRAFT: 5th Round Pick
SCHOOLS: Oklahoma, South Carolina

2. Bo Nix

STATS: 15,351 yards (7.9 YPA), 113 TDs, 26 INTs, 38 rushing TDs
DRAFT: 1st round pick
SCHOOLS: Auburn, Oregon

3. Jayden Daniels

STATS: 12,749 yards (8.9 YPA), 89 TDs, 20 INTs, 34 rushing TDs
DRAFT: 1st round pick
SCHOOLS: Arizona State, LSU

4. Ryan Hilinksi

STATS: 5,222 yards (6.0 YPA), 21 TDs, 17 INTs, 4 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Undrafted
SCHOOLS: South Carolina, Northwestern

5. Graham Mertz

STATS: 9,099 yards (7.4 YPA), 64 TDs, 31 INTs, 13 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Draft-eligible this year, not invited to combine
SCHOOLS: Wisconsin, Florida

6. Sam Howell

STATS: 10,283 yards (9.2 YPA), 92 TDs, 23 INTs, 17 rushing TDs
DRAFT: 5th round pick
SCHOOL: UNC

7. Dylan Morris

STATS: 3,727 yards (7.4 YPA), 20 TDs, 17 INTs, 5 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Undrafted
SCHOOLS: Washington, James Madison

8. Taulia Tagavailoa

STATS: 11,356 yards (7.9 YPA), 77 TDs, 37 INTs, 13 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Undrafted
SCHOOLS: Alabama, Maryland

9. Max Duggan

STATS: 9,618 yards (7.9 YPA), 73 TDs, 28 INTs, 28 rushing TDs
DRAFT: 7th round pick
SCHOOL: TCU

10. Taisun Phommachanh

STATS: 3,314 yards (6.4 YPA), 15 TDs, 16 INTs, 8 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Undrafted
SCHOOLS: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Massachusetts

2020

1. Bryce Young

STATS: 8,356 yards (8.8 YPA), 80 TDs, 12 INTs, 7 rushing TDs
DRAFT: First Round
SCHOOL: Alabama

2. DJ Uiagalelei

STATS: 9,384 yards (7.0 YPA), 61 TDs, 30 INTs, 20 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Not invited to the combine
SCHOOLS: Clemson, Oregon State, Florida State

3. CJ Stroud

STATS: 8,123 yards (9.8 YPA), 85 TDS, 12 INTs, 1 rushing TD
DRAFT: First Round pick
SCHOOL: Ohio State

4. Hudson Card

STATS: 5,551 yards (6.9 YPA), 35 TDs, 17 INTs, 6 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Not invited to the combine
SCHOOLS: Texas, Purdue

5. Ja’Quinden Jackson

STATS: Converted to RB, 2,148 yards, 5.5 YPC, 29 TDs
DRAFT: Draftable grade as RB
SCHOOLS: Texas, Utah, Arkansas

6. Luke Doty

STATS: Converted to WR, 140 receiving yards, 1 TD
SCHOOL: South Carolina

8. Harrison Bailey

STATS: 1,190 yards (7 YPA), 10 TDs, 3 INTs, 2 rushing TDs
SCHOOLS: Tennessee, UNLV, Louisville, Florida

8. Ethan Garbers

STATS: 4,462 yards (7.5 YPA), 31 TDs, 18 INTs, 3 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Not invited to combine
SCHOOLS: Washington, UCLA

9. Haynes King

STATS: 6,535 yards (7.6 YPA), 51 TDs, 28 INTs, 22 rushing TDs
SCHOOLS: Texas A&M, Georgia Tech

10. Jay Butterfield

STATS: 103 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs
DRAFT: Out of football
SCHOOLS: Oregon, San Jose State

2021

1. Quinn Ewers

STATS: 9,128 yards (8.0 YPA), 68 TDs, 24 INTs, 8 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Will be drafted
SCHOOLS: Ohio State, Texas

2. Caleb Williams

STATS: 10,082 yards (9.2 YPA), 93 TDs, 14 INTs
DRAFT: First round pick
SCHOOLS: Oklahoma, USC

3. Sam Huard

STATS: 265 yards (6.0 YPA), 1 TD, 4 INTs
SCHOOLS: Washington, Utah, USC

4. Brock Vandagriff

STATS: 1,758 yards (7.4 YPA), 12 TDs, 8 INTs
DRAFT: Out of football
SCHOOLS: Georgia, Kentucy

5. JJ McCarthy

STATS: 6,226 yards (8.7 YPA), 49 TDs, 11 INTs, 10 rushing TDs
DRAFT: First round pick
SCHOOL: Michigan

6. Kyle McCord

STATS: 8,555 yards (8.6 YPA), 61 TDs, 20 INTs, 3 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Will be drafted
SCHOOLS: Ohio State, Syracuse

7. Ty Thompson

STATS: 655 yards (6.2 YPA), 9 TDs, 7 INTs, 6 rushing TDs, Switched positions to tight end
SCHOOLS: Oregon, Tulane

8. Jake Garcia

STATS: 2,376 yards (7.7 YPA), 15 TDs, 16 INTs, 2 rushing TDs
SCHOOLS: Miami, East Carolina

9. Drake Maye

STATS: 8,018 yards (8.4 YPA), 63 TDs, 16 INTs, 16 rushing TDs
DRAFT: First round pick
SCHOOL: North Carolina

10. Jaxson Dart

STATS: 11,970 yards (9.2 YPA), 81 TDs, 27 INTs, 14 rushing TDs
DRAFT: Will be drafted
SCHOOLS: USC, Ole Miss

2022

1. Cade Klubnick

STATS: 7,180 yards (6.9 YPA), 57 TDs, 18 INTs, 13 rushing TDs
SCHOOL: Clemson

2. Conner Weigman

STATS: 2,694 yards (7.4 YPA), 19 TDs, 7 INTs, 2 rushing TDs
SCHOOLS: Texas A&M, Houston

3. Ty Simpson

STATS: 381 yards (7.6 YPA), 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 3 rushing TDs
SCHOOL: Alabama

4. Drew Allar

STATS: 6,302 yards (7.5 YPA), 53 TDs, 10 INTs, 11 rushing TDs
SCHOOL: Penn State

5. Walker Howard

STATS: 63 yards (6.3 YPA), 0 TDs, 0 INTs
SCHOOLS: LSU, Ole Miss, Louisiana Lafayette

6. Devin Brown

STATS: 331 yards (6.9 YPA), 3 TDs, 1 INT, 1 rushing TD
SCHOOLS: Ohio State, California

7. Gunner Stockton

STATS: 588 yards (7.1 YPA), 3 TDs, 2 INTs
SCHOOL: Georgia

8. Sam Horn

STATS: 54 yards (6.8 YPA), 1 TD, 1 INT
SCHOOL: Missouri

9. Nick Evers

STATS: 918 yards (5.1 YPA), 5 TDs, 5 INTs, 3 rushing TDs
SCHOOLS: Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Connecticut

10. Brady Allen

STATS: 15 yards (3.8 YPA), 0 TDs, 0 INTs
SCHOOLS: Purdue, Louisville

2023

1. Arch Manning

STATS: 969 yards (10.2 YPA), 9 TDs, 2 INTs, 4 rushing TDs
SCHOOL: Texas

2. Nico Iamaleava

STATS: 2,930 yards (7.7 YPA), 21 TDs, 5 INTs, 6 rushing TDs
SCHOOL: Tennessee

3. Dante Moore

STATS: 1,659 yards (7.5 YPA), 11 TDs, 9 INTs
SCHOOLS: UCLA, Oregon

4. Jackson Arnold

STATS: 1,984 yards (6.3 YPA), 16 TDs, 6 INTs, 4 rushing TDs
SCHOOLS: Oklahoma, Auburn

5. Malachi Nelson

STATS: 128 yards (6.4 YPA), 0 TDs, 1 INTs
SCHOOLS: USC, Boise State, UTEP

6. Christopher Vizzina

STATS: 34 yards (5.6 YPA, 0 TDs, 0 INTs
SCHOOL: Clemson

7. Jaden Rashada

STATS: 485 yards (5.9 YPA), 4 TDs, 3 INTs
SCHOOLS: Florida, Arizona State, Georgia, Currently in Portal

8. Eli Holstein

STATS: 2,228 yards (7.7 YPA), 17 TDs, 7 INTs, 3 rushing TDs
SCHOOLS: Alabama, Pittsburgh

9. Avery Johnson

STATS: 3,191 yards (7.3 YPA), 30 TDs, 10 INTs, 14 rushing TDs
SCHOOL: Kansas State

10. Austin Novosad

STATS: 59 yards (4.5 YPA), 0 TDs, 0 INTs
SCHOOL: Oregon

TAKEAWAYS

They're likely to hit the Portal


Most Top 10 quarterbacks don't work out for the team that signs them. Of the 50 quarterbacks in this study, 33 of them (66%) jumped in the Portal.

More may join them in the '22 and '23 classes. Of the 17 who stayed, five have yet to play meaningful snaps. So that leaves about 24% who developed into permanent starters for the team that signed them.

The cream of the crop projects differently

From an evaluation standpoint, there was a significant difference in Top 3 quarterbacks and the quarterbacks ranked 4-10.

Of the nine Top 3 quarterbacks who have completed four years, seven (78%) of them have been drafted. Five of the nine (56%) were first rounders.

However, the Top 3 recruits didn't all work out at their first stop. Of the seven drafted, five (71%) transferred before getting to the NFL.

The lower seven had significantly less success. Of the 21 quarterbacks who completed four years of college and ranked outside of the Top 3, only 4 (19%) got drafted.

For purposes of this analysis, I'm projecting Quinn Ewers as getting drafted on Day 2 or 3.

CONCLUSION

My big takeaway: if you're going to spend on a top high school QB, he should be in the Top 3. Don't get into bidding wars for the other guys. And even then, you need a plan to make sure that Top 3 QB doesn't collect big checks and hop in the Portal before producing. The Top 3 QBs are also attractive Portal candidates, even if they had ups and downs at their prior stops (see Daniels and Nix). The talent is usually there.

While the odds are against a top high school QB starting long-term for the team he signs with, the ones that do have a ton of success. Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Max Duggan, Sam Howell, Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, Cade Klubnick and Drew Allar are some prime examples. But of course, there is selection bias- the guys that stay are most likely to have succeeded early.

Overall, I think we should allocate most of our QB money to the Portal or retaining young starters. High schoolers are too volatile. Of the Top 10 QBs in the 2025 NFL Draft per CBS, nine of them are transfers. You have a better idea of what you're going to get and how they fit into your system. Get affordable players with traits out of high school, and if they hit, then you pay them.

Comment below with your strategy for attacking the QB position.

I would have liked to see data showing whether "they're likely to portal" coincides with HC movement. During that span the portal rules have changed a few times and this year we found out the portal isn't even real.
 
With the portal and NIL the way it is, I don't see many top HS QBs sticking around to develop for a couple of years in a program, waiting their turn and then being highly successful like they used.
If they don't start, they're moving on.
I guess that furthers your point about investing in the portal.
 
I wouldn't spend big on a High School qb even if they were Top 3. You look at the qb's who won championships, none of them were Top 3 Qb's in their classes outside of Watson and Trevor. The guy who won back-to-backs was a walk on.

I'm all in on the transfer qb route.
 
One thing I'd point out is how the COVID year gave players that extra eligibility, which flooded the Portal with experienced QBs over the last few years. But now we’re starting to see that inventory dry up. This is probably the first Portal cycle in a while where it’s been pretty d*mn noticeable.

Next year? It’s probably going to be even worse in terms of experienced QBs hitting the Portal that we'll deem good options.

So yeah, going the transfer route for QBs has been way more reliable historically, but it’s about to get a lot tougher, more expensive, and riskier. We really need to hit on one of Nickel, Coleman, or even Judd. If not, 2026/2027 is going to be reaaaaal scary.
 
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QB is too difficult to accurately forecast from college to NFL, let alone HS to college. Throw in @DMoney 's statistical comparison and I'm not sure how anyone could reasonably disagree that it's best allocation of resources to spend big on a Top 3 portal QB rather than spending on high end high schoolers.
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This is where the current top 20 found their QB for 2025.

1 Ohio State: - Sayin* / Kienholz / St. Clair - signed out of high school
2 Notre Dame: Angeli/Carr - signed out of high school
3 Oregon: - transfer
4 Texas: Manning - signed out of high school
5 Penn State: Allar - signed out of high school
6 UGA: Stockton - signed out of high school
7 Arizona State: - transfer
8 Boise: Madsen - signed out of high school
9 Tennessee: Nico - signed out of high school
10 Indiana: - transfer

*If Sayin wins the job, technically he was a transfer. BUT he transferred as a true freshman, 11 days after enrolling at Alabama. So..

11 Ole Miss: Simmons - signed out of high school
12 SMU: Jennings - signed out of high school
13 BYU: - JUCO**
14 Clemson: Klubnik - signed out of high school
15 Iowa State: Becht - signed out of high school
16 Illinois - transfer
17 Alabama: Ty Simpson - signed out of high school
18 Miami - transfer
19 South Carolina: Sellers - signed out of high school
20 Syracuse: transfer

**BYU is the only team above the JUCO level that Retzlaff has ever played for.


Currently unranked teams likely to be in the preseason top 25:

LSU: Nussmeier - signed out of high school
UF: Lagway - signed out of high school
Texas A&M: Reed - signed out of high school
Missouri: - transfer

Others that might be ranked:

K-State: Johnson - signed out of high school
Michigan: Underwood - signed out of high school
Oklahoma: - transfer
Texas Tech: Morton - signed out of high school


TLDR:
A majority of teams plan to go with guys they recruited out of high school (or JUCO in BYU's case).

Make of that what you will.
 
TLDR: A majority of teams plan to go with guys they recruited out of high school (or JUCO in BYU's case).
Definitely something to watch. The other thing I'm seeing next year is that QB play might be terrible. Not a lot of returning quality.

The Class of 2025 looks incredible coming out of high school, so I expect there to be significant movement once those guys make waves.
 
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This is where the current top 20 found their QB for 2025.

1 Ohio State: - Sayin* / Kienholz / St. Clair - signed out of high school
2 Notre Dame: Angeli/Carr - signed out of high school
3 Oregon: - transfer
4 Texas: Manning - signed out of high school
5 Penn State: Allar - signed out of high school
6 UGA: Stockton - signed out of high school
7 Arizona State: - transfer
8 Boise: Madsen - signed out of high school
9 Tennessee: Nico - signed out of high school
10 Indiana: - transfer

*If Sayin wins the job, technically he was a transfer. BUT he transferred as a true freshman, 11 days after enrolling at Alabama. So..

11 Ole Miss: Simmons - signed out of high school
12 SMU: Jennings - signed out of high school
13 BYU: - JUCO**
14 Clemson: Klubnik - signed out of high school
15 Iowa State: Becht - signed out of high school
16 Illinois - transfer
17 Alabama: Ty Simpson - signed out of high school
18 Miami - transfer
19 South Carolina: Sellers - signed out of high school
20 Syracuse: transfer

**BYU is the only team above the JUCO level that Retzlaff has ever played for.


Currently unranked teams likely to be in the preseason top 25:

LSU: Nussmeier - signed out of high school
UF: Lagway - signed out of high school
Texas A&M: Reed - signed out of high school
Missouri: - transfer

Others that might be ranked:

K-State: Johnson - signed out of high school
Michigan: Underwood - signed out of high school
Oklahoma: - transfer
Texas Tech: Morton - signed out of high school


TLDR:
A majority of teams plan to go with guys they recruited out of high school (or JUCO in BYU's case).

Make of that what you will.
Need to do both as I said years ago when the fallacy started. That is always the part D$ avoids.
 
This is where the current top 20 found their QB for 2025.

1 Ohio State: - Sayin* / Kienholz / St. Clair - signed out of high school
2 Notre Dame: Angeli/Carr - signed out of high school
3 Oregon: - transfer
4 Texas: Manning - signed out of high school
5 Penn State: Allar - signed out of high school
6 UGA: Stockton - signed out of high school
7 Arizona State: - transfer
8 Boise: Madsen - signed out of high school
9 Tennessee: Nico - signed out of high school
10 Indiana: - transfer

*If Sayin wins the job, technically he was a transfer. BUT he transferred as a true freshman, 11 days after enrolling at Alabama. So..

11 Ole Miss: Simmons - signed out of high school
12 SMU: Jennings - signed out of high school
13 BYU: - JUCO**
14 Clemson: Klubnik - signed out of high school
15 Iowa State: Becht - signed out of high school
16 Illinois - transfer
17 Alabama: Ty Simpson - signed out of high school
18 Miami - transfer
19 South Carolina: Sellers - signed out of high school
20 Syracuse: transfer

**BYU is the only team above the JUCO level that Retzlaff has ever played for.


Currently unranked teams likely to be in the preseason top 25:

LSU: Nussmeier - signed out of high school
UF: Lagway - signed out of high school
Texas A&M: Reed - signed out of high school
Missouri: - transfer

Others that might be ranked:

K-State: Johnson - signed out of high school
Michigan: Underwood - signed out of high school
Oklahoma: - transfer
Texas Tech: Morton - signed out of high school


TLDR:
A majority of teams plan to go with guys they recruited out of high school (or JUCO in BYU's case).

Make of that what you will.
Thanks for doing this. I'm curious to see what that list looks like in 11 months.
 
I would have liked to see data showing whether "they're likely to portal" coincides with HC movement. During that span the portal rules have changed a few times and this year we found out the portal isn't even real.
HC movement is an interesting data point. I'd also add whether or not the school brought in a transfer QB during that time. Wonder how many kids jumped because the school signed an older guy to be the next starter
 
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Need to do both as I said years ago when the fallacy started. That is always the part D$ avoids.
You always need to bring in high school arms. But you can't consistently pay both in the real world where money is limited. This is especially true if you aren't one of the Top 5 brands in the sport.

When resources are not infinite, it's important to look at the cold facts. And in this case, they tell a pretty clear story.

Search for affordable upside in high school. If one of them hits, pay him to stay. Otherwise, spend on more proven commodities.
 
You always need to bring in high school arms. But you can't consistently pay both in the real world where money is limited. This is especially true if you aren't one of the Top 5 brands in the sport.

When resources are not infinite, it's important to look at the cold facts. And in this case, they tell a pretty clear story.

Search for affordable upside in high school. If one of them hits, pay him to stay. Otherwise, spend on more proven commodities.
Who is searching for affordable upside in high school besides Miami?
 
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