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Notsince1985

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goal line offense vs. goal line defense

There are several examples (more than 5) this season of less talented defenses (FAU, USF, UNC) shutting down our offense near the goal line in either forcing us to kick a FG, making take all 4 downs to score a TD, stopping us on downs, or forcing a turnover after we had first and goal inside the five because they played aggressive defense, with 10 men around the LOS.

On the other hand, we play with our LBs 5 yards in the endzone on these same occasions. What is the point of those formations from us? Are we protecting against the deep ball? Do we want to keep everything in front of us?

Yup, it's talent.
 
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Stephen will not throw over the middle... Too many Int's and will only go there as a last resort... Everything is to the sides lines...

He also can not run...

It's easy for other teams to defend the corners / sidelines and the middle of the field against the run.

RW - loves the middle of the field... That my RW plug... He should have been greasing some rep's since the Wake game!
 
Go look at uva and temple neither of those defenses were aggressive.

Uva in 2004 vs good teams struggled. Fsu had about 500 yards, Sexton Qb for fsu went 21/26 and they blew uva out, unc had over 500 yards, miami over 400. All were losses.

Temple 2010 vs NIU gave up over 500 yards and got blew out.

This D gets exposed vs decent teams. This is the same D that has Al groh *** jobless.
 
252cane said:
Go look at uva and temple neither of those defenses were aggressive.

Uva in 2004 vs good teams struggled. Fsu had about 500 yards, Sexton Qb for fsu went 21/26 and they blew uva out, unc had over 500 yards, miami over 400. All were losses.

Temple 2010 vs NIU gave up over 500 yards and got blew out.

This D gets exposed vs decent teams. This is the same D that has Al groh *** jobless.
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WINNER WINNER chicken dinner.

The talent in the front 7 sucks, we all agree with that, but when you line up in a 4-2-5 on the **** goal line against a QB who is brought in the run the same play 4 times and you do nothing the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th time differently than you did the first, that is insane and pathetic to be frank.

2nd example is running out 3 LB's against Wake's 5 wide and having 31 lining up on their best player half the game in the slot, then saying kids need to execute better. This *** clown throws them under the bus for ME's and lack of execution for 3 years now 3 friggen years!!! How the **** can you execute when you don't have the right personnel on the field, 31 is not going to execute the same as 21 in that spot? Mentals and execution if not corrected after 3 years means either we have the dumbest team in America 3 years running or , your sorry *** isnt getting through to them. I am convinced that it is the latter.
 
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Sebastianspipe said:
252cane said:
Go look at uva and temple neither of those defenses were aggressive.

Uva in 2004 vs good teams struggled. Fsu had about 500 yards, Sexton Qb for fsu went 21/26 and they blew uva out, unc had over 500 yards, miami over 400. All were losses.

Temple 2010 vs NIU gave up over 500 yards and got blew out.

This D gets exposed vs decent teams. This is the same D that has Al groh *** jobless.
Click to expand...

WINNER WINNER chicken dinner.

The talent in the front 7 sucks, we all agree with that, but when you line up in a 4-2-5 on the **** goal line against a QB who is brought in the run the same play 4 times and you do nothing the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th time differently than you did the first, that is insane and pathetic to be frank.

2nd example is running out 3 LB's against Wake's 5 wide and having 31 lining up on their best player half the game in the slot, then saying kids need to execute better. This *** clown throws them under the bus for ME's and lack of execution for 3 years now 3 friggen years!!! How the **** can you execute when you don't have the right personnel on the field, 31 is not going to execute the same as 21 in that spot? Mentals and execution if not corrected after 3 years means either we have the dumbest team in America 3 years running or , your sorry *** isnt getting through to them. I am convinced that it is the latter.
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this ^^^
 
Notsince1985 said:
goal line offense vs. goal line defense

There are several examples (more than 5) this season of less talented defenses (FAU, USF, UNC) shutting down our offense near the goal line in either forcing us to kick a FG, making take all 4 downs to score a TD, stopping us on downs, or forcing a turnover after we had first and goal inside the five because they played aggressive defense, with 10 men around the LOS.

On the other hand, we play with our LBs 5 yards in the endzone on these same occasions. What is the point of those formations from us? Are we protecting against the deep ball? Do we want to keep everything in front of us?

Yup, it's talent.
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This infuriates me. There was a goalline play against Duke where we had 4 lineman and then a couple backers 5 yards off the ball. QB runs it and the lbs were able to get to him.....2 yards deep in the endzone. That alignment is designed for failure. And fail it did.
 
Yup, to piggyback on what Eric Winston said, its infuriating to see us line up in base formations with base personnel no matter what the offense rolls out. The stubborn thing is killing us.
 
I was watching the Stanford vs USC the other day and how USC LBers were playing 7 yards from the LOS bc it would take a lot more distance for Stanfords OLine to get to them so they wouldn't be able to block them. But! you don't do that in the endzone lol
 
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