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Interesting and it supports some of your arguments.

UM baseball coach Jim Morris, whose team opens NCAA Tournament play Friday, says he has never given a full scholarship to a single player at Miami and that he’s losing a bunch of quality players every year because UM’s tuition/room/board is so high ($64,000 a year). The result has been a 2016 team with five to eight high-end players but very little depth.

“That’s always going to be a challenge at Miami because you’re not going to have 35 guys on a team,” Morris said. “The fact is, the scholarship situation is tough. A lot of our guys… played just about every inning of every game. I’m concerned about them getting tired. We try to practice less, take care of them, do all the things we can to keep them fresh.”
 
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It's amazing what we have been able to accomplish given those constraints. At a place like UF they can run 30-35 guys through there.
 
Miami04 said:
Interesting and it supports some of your arguments.

UM baseball coach Jim Morris, whose team opens NCAA Tournament play Friday, says he has never given a full scholarship to a single player at Miami and that he’s losing a bunch of quality players every year because UM’s tuition/room/board is so high ($64,000 a year). The result has been a 2016 team with five to eight high-end players but very little depth.

“That’s always going to be a challenge at Miami because you’re not going to have 35 guys on a team,” Morris said. “The fact is, the scholarship situation is tough. A lot of our guys… played just about every inning of every game. I’m concerned about them getting tired. We try to practice less, take care of them, do all the things we can to keep them fresh.”
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Quite frankly, maybe the most arbitrary move I can think of from the NCAA, even with some of the ridiculous football rules.

Involving themselves in how many scholarships can be given in a given sport, knowing they are clearly providing state school adavantages.

Makes me sick, always has.

UM
 
When Dedeaux won his 10 National Championships the NCAA permitted 19 baseball scholarships. They reduced it to 15 and it is now at 11.7. None of these changes made the NOrthern schools more competitive.

Miami does not field a hockey team, nor should it, so why does the NCAA continue to cater to Northern schools.

With 19 available scholarships Miami fields a pro at every position. This structure markedly impairs us. It helps immensely in football and basketball because you are offering a much better education.
 
canesproponent said:
When Dedeaux won his 10 National Championships the NCAA permitted 19 baseball scholarships. They reduced it to 15 and it is now at 11.7. None of these changes made the NOrthern schools more competitive.

Miami does not field a hockey team, nor should it, so why does the NCAA continue to cater to Northern schools.
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It had nothing to do with northern schools. The 10% reduction from 13 to 11.7 was entirely a Title IX move.
 
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Not saying it solves the challenge, but can't baseball players supplement their partial baseball scholarship with other need based/ merit scholarship funds? We have a JC transfer coming in next year who is from the chicago projects. Hard for me to believe that he is forced to take out student loans to make up the difference between the tuition and partial baseball scholarship.
 
The problem is that most guys only get 25 to 30%, which means they are left with like $45,000 to cover. It's tough to cover that unless you're living in poverty or have superb academic credentials. Most guys fall somewhere in the middle.
 
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Jaromir Jagr said:
The problem is that most guys only get 25 to 30%, which means they are left with like $45,000 to cover. It's tough to cover that unless you're living in poverty or have superb academic credentials. Most guys fall somewhere in the middle.
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Does this mean that distributing the baseball team's scholarship allotment, is like a running an NBA's team salary cap?
 
We also provide "need based" scholarships, but we do not have the funding that Vanderbilt, Stanford or Rice have.

Ron Fraser kept meticulous records on all aspects of the program, and Morris does as well. Miami has a plethora of data on what the "Minors" offered drafted high-school players pre and post Miami. Supposedly, Miami has a highly compelling argument as to future signing bonuses based on past player data. For the drafted players, it is a bit easier to convince them due to the promise of future earnings and the greater amount of scholarship money awarded them. Academic scholarships declined in past years, but recently increased, which helps as well. [Both the Collins and Abreu families have mentioned that attending UM markedly improves the signing bonus of players. Obviously, this does not hold true for 1st rounders or other highly drafted players. ]

As long as we can find, 2 or more "well-off" players and 2 or more great students each year, we can field a competitive product. Players also live at home which defrays the costs as well.

Hopefully, the number of scholarships does not decline from 11.7 because then we would be in serious trouble.
 
Canes10 said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
The problem is that most guys only get 25 to 30%, which means they are left with like $45,000 to cover. It's tough to cover that unless you're living in poverty or have superb academic credentials. Most guys fall somewhere in the middle.
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Does this mean that distributing the baseball team's scholarship allotment, is like a running an NBA's team salary cap?
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I don't know much about the salary cap process, but probably so. Your top players and guys who have been around for a while might get a little more. But all 27 rostered players MUST get 25%. That's 6.75 already allocated. Then you decide how the other five scholarships get split up among those 27 players.
 
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BisCane said:
canesproponent said:
The link below provide the official rules:
College Athletic Scholarship Limits - Scholarship Stats.com

You can split them up as you like and can also buttress them with academic scholarships. Funny. Morris said today that he had never given a player a full-scholarship, but many years ago he said that Burrell was the only player who ever received a full-ride.
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maybe pat got partial bb and partial academic?
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Yes and no. There's various ways they can get a scholly for the other half whether it's pull grants, DECA, even for service hours. My brother plays for a private school in Boston and he has a scholly from DECA and I believe one from the schools national honor society along with his baseball scholarship.
 
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I'm fairly certain most of these guys are taken care of with other types of assistance/scholarships. They might not be covered 100% but they aren't paying much out of pocket.
 
Yes, they are. Our top 10 players leave with little debt, but the other players pay the price to attend UM.

Sometimes they are able to convince stars to accept much less. A person who is sure to go pro may accept less his final year or even all 3 years.

UM and Rice are the only private schools that can compete effectively, and Rice has not been to Omaha in ages. Vanderbilt is now at a higher level than us, but will they be able to maintain it. Look at Stanford. They have great talent pool, Harvard-like education, best facilities and they are now missing the Regionals regularly. The consistency of UM is incredible.
 
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