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Looking at our two deep, we have only 1 freshman on the two deep in Flowers. The rest 2nd year players and older.
At QB we have a JR with solid experience and his backup started as true Freshman.
Duke will be used situationally so I don't think his youth would really affect the team negatively. And if he's able to move ahead of the older players that would bode well.

On defense there are more freshman on the 2 deep in Hamilton, Howard, Bush,Ivery and Moore, However none are slated to be starters.
Is having 5 2nd team freshman that detrimental to the team? Especially talented ones? I don't think so.
I'd venture to say if you look at the 2-deep of our opponents you'd see a similar mix of experience as we have.
 
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Yes we are young and inexperienced.

51 of our 81 players at Fr and So. 34 of our 81 players are Fr (42% of the team). We have 11 seniors, 2 are STs, 4 have been non-factors up until this point in their career (Lewis, Jones, Johnson, Thompkins).

It would be crazy to say this team isn't young IMO.
 
DiegoCane said:
Yes we are young and inexperienced.

51 of our 81 players at Fr and So. 34 of our 81 players are Fr (42% of the team). We have 11 seniors, 2 are STs, 4 have been non-factors up until this point in their career (Lewis, Jones, Johnson, Thompkins).

It would be crazy to say this team isn't young IMO.
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CaneAlmighty said:
Looking at our two deep, we have only 1 freshman on the two deep in Flowers. The rest 2nd year players and older.
At QB we have a JR with solid experience and his backup started as true Freshman.
Duke will be used situationally so I don't think his youth would really affect the team negatively. And if he's able to move ahead of the older players that would bode well.

On defense there are more freshman on the 2 deep in Hamilton, Howard, Bush,Ivery and Moore, However none are slated to be starters.
Is having 5 2nd team freshman that detrimental to the team? Especially talented ones? I don't think so.
I'd venture to say if you look at the 2-deep of our opponents you'd see a similar mix of experience as we have.
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I think you missed Isidora, Duke, Terry, McCord, A. Crawford, and Jenkins off the 2-deep.

I do not think having those true freshmen on the 2-deep is detrimental to the team; I think it will add a good kind of excitement and enthusiasm.
 
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DiegoCane said:
Yes we are young and inexperienced.

51 of our 81 players at Fr and So. 34 of our 81 players are Fr (42% of the team). We have 11 seniors, 2 are STs, 4 have been non-factors up until this point in their career (Lewis, Jones, Johnson, Thompkins).

It would be crazy to say this team isn't young IMO.
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Somewhat misleading. Since there is a difference between a Freshman and a RS Freshman and so forth.
That's why I like to use Years with the team instead.
It would be:
0 for Freshman (34% of team)
1 for RS Freshman and Sophomores (20%)
2 for RS Sophomores and Juniors (21%)
3 for RS Juniors and Seniors (13%)
4 for RS Seniors. (12%)

In college football you depend around a core of 50-55 players not counting your kickers and punters. And like I said before we're depending on a handful of freshman as second teamer's.

Lastly, I checked the 2008 roster just to have a basis for comparison. What I found was in 2008 only 41% of the team was made up of players that had been with the team 2 years or more (RS-SO thru RS SR). This year the percentage of players with 2+ years is 46%.
Going by this to set expectations for this year one would have have to expect at least 8 wins since the "younger" 2008 team won 7.
Add to that the notion that Golden is a better coach than Shannon and Morris is more experienced and better than Jacory was in 2008 and the win expectations should increase to 9+ wins.
Anything less than 7 wins would be an abomination.
 
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CaneAlmighty said:
DiegoCane said:
Yes we are young and inexperienced.

51 of our 81 players at Fr and So. 34 of our 81 players are Fr (42% of the team). We have 11 seniors, 2 are STs, 4 have been non-factors up until this point in their career (Lewis, Jones, Johnson, Thompkins).

It would be crazy to say this team isn't young IMO.
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Somewhat misleading. Since there is a difference between a Freshman and a RS Freshman and so forth.
That's why I like to use Years with the team instead.
It would be:
0 for Freshman (34% of team)
1 for RS Freshman and Sophomores (20%)
2 for RS Sophomores and Juniors (21%)
3 for RS Juniors and Seniors (13%)
4 for RS Seniors. (12%)

In college football you depend around a core of 50-55 players not counting your kickers and punters. And like I said before we're depending on a handful of freshman as second teamer's.

Lastly, I checked the 2008 roster just to have a basis for comparison. What I found was in 2008 only 41% of the team was made up of players that had been with the team 2 years or more (RS-SO thru RS SR). This year the percentage of players with 2+ years is 46%.
Going by this to set expectations for this year one would have have to expect at least 8 wins since the "younger" 2008 team won 7.
Add to that the notion that Golden is a better coach than Shannon and Morris is more experienced and better than Jacory was in 2008 and the win expectations should increase to 9+ wins.
Anything less than 7 wins would be an abomination.
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If a player only gets spot PT or has never played, does it matter how many years they've been with the program? Shayon Green has been here 4 years and we dont know what to expect from him and the guys behind him are true freshman. We have similar situations all over the depth chart.

we are a young and inexperienced
 
Canesalmighty, I'm not sure how you think a couple more players with 2+ years experience and better coaching instantly gets you two more wins minimum, and that anything less than a 7-5 record is an "abomination". But I do agree that 2008 is a good comparison. 41% vs. 46% is very close, the team's weaknesses are somewhat similar, and the strength of schedules are faily equivalent. And that team could easily have lost 2-3 more in Wake, UVA and Va Tech. That's why a 7-5 record +/- 1 with more consistency and discipline is a good target.

As to the OP's question, Diego is spot on. This is an incredibly young team. Forget the depth chart for a moment. We all know that this team will need to rely on multiple freshmen to win in Flowers, Howard/A Crawford, Duke, Bush/Jenkins, Lewis/Waters, Kirby (now Terry), Hamilton/McCord, and probably others. Our defensive leadership is in the hands of two true sophomores in Chickillo and Perryman. There's a reason why ESPN expects us to go 4-8, and no other analyst has us higher than 6-6 -- our only playmakers are FR and SO.
 
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Miami is ranked 120th in the country in yards returning on offense. We return a mere 25% of our offensive production from a year ago. Most of us consider offense the strength of our team this year. We are ABSOLUTELY young.
 
The only inexperienced guys we'll be counting on offensively:

Duke
Scott
Lewis
Perry
McDermott

Defense is another story with true freshmen playing all over the place.
 
Texas was young last year with horrible quarterback play mind you and they won 8 games.Texas had a freshman cb,highly touted who earned all big 12 honors,they had numerous freshman and sophomores who stepped up for them.No reason the same kind of talented kids here can't do what Texas did last year with a better quarterback.
 
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rokulika said:
The only inexperienced guys we'll be counting on offensively:

Duke
Scott
Lewis
Perry
McDermott

Defense is another story with true freshmen playing all over the place.
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We're not counting on Flowers?

And I don't care about "experience" if you haven't exactly produced in your "experience." So Stephen Morris has played mop-up duty and looked okay as a freshman, and looked out of place last year in the opener as a starter. Mike James battled injuries last year, but still did nothing of note. None of the wide receivers did anything of note. Same with the tight ends. Three new starters on the OL.

On defense, we have new guys all over the field in the two deep. Young and inexperienced on both sides of the ball. Only legit proven experience we have is at kicker and punter.
 
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Ummm, yeah because our old guys aren't any good. Yeah we aren't starting many freshmen but that's because freshmen are usually bad and we dont want to start them. So instead we trot out guys like shayon green and kendal thompkins and darius smith and mike james who give every indicator of being also rans but at least have spent some time at this level.
 
CaneGrad05 said:
rokulika said:
The only inexperienced guys we'll be counting on offensively:

Duke
Scott
Lewis
Perry
McDermott

Defense is another story with true freshmen playing all over the place.
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We're not counting on Flowers?

And I don't care about "experience" if you haven't exactly produced in your "experience." So Stephen Morris has played mop-up duty and looked okay as a freshman, and looked out of place last year in the opener as a starter. Mike James battled injuries last year, but still did nothing of note. None of the wide receivers did anything of note. Same with the tight ends. Three new starters on the OL.

On defense, we have new guys all over the field in the two deep. Young and inexperienced on both sides of the ball. Only legit proven experience we have is at kicker and punter.
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Morris has some starts under his belt and has had success. He's not inexperienced.

James has played a ton the last 3 years and has had success and is versatile.

Hurns has played a bunch and had some nice games last year. After him nobody has proven chit.

The tight ends have played a bunch.

I don't have high hopes for the OL, but at least Feliciano, Seantrel, Bunche, and Linder played last year in this offense.

The defense is a train wreck.
 
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