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I haven't rewatched, but these were my initial impressions while watching--missed much of the first quarter:

1. What I was happy with overall was that everybody seemed to be on the same page and the guys tried hard. Yeah we had a couple confusion timeouts and such but this is a YOUNG team playing a lot of guys. The fact that they could get that many freshmen to line up correctly running a hurry up and that many formations was impressive. Credit Golden for this stuff. I can ignore some of the timeouts honestly in light of the effort and unison.

2. The offense is going to have MAJOR problems if this is it. It was the most lateral offense I've seen here. Before the season what we said we had was a big line and a big arm. That's a recipe for a run based play action downfield team. The way we're playing is like a team with a bad line and a weak armed smart qb with great receivers. It's hard for me to believe that a good D with athletes is not going to squat all over this and wreck us due to the lack of downfield attempts. I believe something like 10% of Morris attempts were over 12 yards and that was by necessity (3rd and 12+) often.

3. Defense is obviously a mess. The amount of guys played suggests they have no idea what they have. If I had to pick one way to fix it, it's simplify. I think that's all we can do. Simplify early, complicate later. The defense plays like it's thinking and the middle of it (LBs and safeties) is LOST. In defense of Randy Shannon's early (2001-2) style, it allowed guys to just attack and not think much and that is probably what we're missing. We don't have the athletes he had, but we have to establish our base first and proceed. Right now we're just waiting for an error.
 
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
Fisch took what the defense gave him. I expect he'll adjust the game plan accordingly with each opponent.
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I don't--or not seriously at least. This is college football. Yeah you can tinker with what you use each week but we're not going to philosophically overhaul week to week IMO especially with a bunch of freshmen running around. This is probably just what we are which is a quick toss lateral team that teams with good athletes are going to exploit without fear.

Now maybe our billing is not what we have and this really is the best offense for us, but I was quite surprised.
 
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That was the offense for BC game alone. It was dink and dunk because that is all BC historically allows. It was brilliant.
Took a lot of patience but it worked. IMO you will see totally different offense as the year goes on, but it will be same tempo.
 
That is what I saw. Lateral plays against a slow defense instead of going downfield. Most of our plays were one yard completions, it seemed.

My Dad (former Cane playa) thought it was taking what the D gave them, like jimmyjohnsonhair says.
 
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I thought there was a write-up earlier in the week of how we should attack them and what we saw yesterday was it. I thought there were multiple pages of comments about how BC played everything in front of them and wanted us to march the field.
 
Both sides are right. If the dink-n- dunk offense was for BC that's fine, but if it's our base offense we're in trouble. Have to exploit the middle of the field and take some shots.
 
We are going to need to take shots down the field a little more than what we did against BC IMO, but if you look how far off their DB's were playing they din't want to get beat by the deep ball and were willing to let us dink and dunk down the field.
 
What I saw yesterday, I wasnt too impressed with on the surface but the plan was brilliant...I think the coaching staff knows it has a strong armed QB who also has good athletes at receiver but BC knew this and REFUSED to be beat deep...give it some time, I think they'll adjust accordingly. First game with TONS of new and young guys...I'll judge when we play teams who take more risks against us...overall good win and good, patient game plan by our coaches. May not have been pretty, but it was effective and worked against this specific opponent. I'd dare say, they (the coaching staff) played this perfectly. It allowed us to not show too much for our open passing attack (which it seems we may be better built for) I saw this game as a step in the right direction. No more playing DOWN to opponents...Go Canes!!!
 
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Defense is where I'm just a bit worried (and I say that sarcastically) because, sheesh, if they play like that the rest of the yr it's gonna be out score them til the end and hope for a prayer...we DESPERATELY need a pass rush
 
BC routinely stayed in Cover 3, REFUSING to give up anything deep.

I'm sure their fan base was ****ED that the short passes were gimmees for our offense.

If we take anything from our O last year it's that Fischer doesn't like to dink-n-dunk. But when teams drop 3 deep with 4 under, you take what you can get... And drop two 50+ yard runs on them.
 
Like Penn said, I doubt the offensive style will change dramatically the rest of the year. This wasn't a one game thing. There isn't enough time per week to overhaul everything based on the opponent being faced. Will more deep shots be taken if the defense allows it? Probably. But we've heard all offseason that the goal was to get the ball in the playmakers hands quickly. What do you think yesterday was? I believe the base will be quick hitters and when a defense gets tired of being dinked and dunked to death they will change the plan of attack a bit. A defense has to have a team full of good tacklers going against Miami guys in this offense.

The offense that some people love under Fisch last year wasn't all that productive. Nothing consistent about it against good opponents. It was a whole lot of nothing and then hope for Lamar, Trav or Streeter to make a big play. No consistency. No tempo.

I'll never forget Shannon's last game against USF. One of the posters who is a high school coach knew a USF coach. The USF coach had no idea why Whipple just didn't take the short stuff and march down the field. They were giving that away because they were afraid of the speed. Its about time we took advantage of teams fearing getting beat deep. The tempo of the offense will help as well
 
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I did not like the plays called after Chicks fumble recovery. I would have rather seen Morris under center and run power football at them. Only getting 3 there was a fail IMO.
 
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Pennmed Canefan said:
I haven't rewatched, but these were my initial impressions while watching--missed much of the first quarter:

1. What I was happy with overall was that everybody seemed to be on the same page and the guys tried hard. Yeah we had a couple confusion timeouts and such but this is a YOUNG team playing a lot of guys. The fact that they could get that many freshmen to line up correctly running a hurry up and that many formations was impressive. Credit Golden for this stuff. I can ignore some of the timeouts honestly in light of the effort and unison.

2. The offense is going to have MAJOR problems if this is it. It was the most lateral offense I've seen here. Before the season what we said we had was a big line and a big arm. That's a recipe for a run based play action downfield team. The way we're playing is like a team with a bad line and a weak armed smart qb with great receivers. It's hard for me to believe that a good D with athletes is not going to squat all over this and wreck us due to the lack of downfield attempts. I believe something like 10% of Morris attempts were over 12 yards and that was by necessity (3rd and 12+) often.

3. Defense is obviously a mess. The amount of guys played suggests they have no idea what they have. If I had to pick one way to fix it, it's simplify. I think that's all we can do. Simplify early, complicate later. The defense plays like it's thinking and the middle of it (LBs and safeties) is LOST. In defense of Randy Shannon's early (2001-2) style, it allowed guys to just attack and not think much and that is probably what we're missing. We don't have the athletes he had, but we have to establish our base first and proceed. Right now we're just waiting for an error.
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Well, look at that, Penn. Here's a thread you might like for #2: http://canesinsight.com/showthread.php?27147-Let-s-hope-we-break-out-of-the-Nix-Zone
 
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Take the dropped passes away and you're talking about 32-42 for 275+ yards and 2 TDs

Jedd Fisch has shown the ability to gameplan on a week to week basis (he came from the NFL and has different packages and personel based on who we play or what defense gives us - we're actually becoming one of the more sophisticated offenses in CFB)

Jacory didn't give us much in terms of having a cannon for an arm so these quick hitters weren't really possible.
Someone earlier in the week said look for our YAC to increase and it will (especially moving forward)

We will see more under center next week. Play-action, double moves, etc. Fisch will NOT waste Morris's cannon and dink and dunk all year.
That I'd put the house on.


D'Onofrio is just awful. Temple fans warned us of exactly what we're seeing. Sure Temple had a top 20 scoring defense at one point. But so did we last year (19th).
Chew on that for awhile.
 
We have NOTHING on defense. Our line cannot get any pressure. What do you guys want coach D to do? I thought he did make a few adjustments going to more man coverage--but when you don't get any pressure on the QB your DBs look like garbage (even if some of them are). But look at this D and tell me where the stars are? Chickillo would be a backup on most of our past teams and Perryman may play a little and that's it. These guys shouldnt be playing as much as they have been playing if our program was where it should and will be.
 
Well I have watched average QBs with weak arms dink and dunk us to death for years. Whatever works, just get into the endzone somehow, someway. The only knock I have on the play-calling was not going power after that fumble we got at the 5.

Also listening to Golden he was saying he wants to run more so it sounds like this isn't our staple offense. I expect to see more downfield passes mixed in with the bubble screens. That TD to Lewis was the perfect call as it was one of the few times BC actually blitzed. **** good guess on Fisch's part.
 
Looking to see major improvements on D, especially in the secondary and end play. They should be more settled down and the staff should tighten up some of the blown coverages. Also, I saw a bit from Green to think he can become a decent enough end, but we are going to have to blitz more to get pressure on QBs going forward.

The O was just fine, es long as the receivers hang on to the **** ball. Its a young and inexperienced group, but expecting a **** of a lot more development from them as well. The QB, RBs, and O line are fine.
 
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