9 Games + 2 Seasons (Confidence Becomes Hope)

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To put it lightly, the game hurt. The game really hurt. It put a lot of things in perspective and quickly altered my beliefs in the state of the program and our leader. Before you read my diatribe, I am no football scientist. I am a fan who questions what they see. I was known as an Al Golden “Homer” by some, but things change.

[Please Note this is a long post and I am sure you are sick of reading them]

Part I: Actual On Field Improvement

Entering the season, I wanted to see mostly improvement and more wins. Before the season, I believed we were a 9 win team that would struggle but show improvement over last year. Even though we may hit 9 wins, I am questioning the overall improvement.

November 1st, we’re 7-0 (3-0). We beat UF, that was big. I don’t care that they appear to be inferior now, the team we played on September 7th at home was not the team that appears today (i.e. injuries). We played physical football PERIOD. We played how I expected and wanted. That was a big win. We beat GT, UNC and WF to start 3-0 in the ACC. We beat those teams by not giving up, in years past we gave up and they we would lose (see UVA or UNC from last year) but we held our own and played strong till the end.

All indications at this point were that the team was improving. Sure the victories over GT, UNC and WF were incredibly close but we pulled out with 3 Ws. The games were not ****, the 10 turnovers sucked but we won. At this point in time we hammered off 9 straight wins (going back to last year). I didn't mind winning like we did because I expected us to win the games we lost in the past. At this point in time things looked great and everyone was pretty happy. My expectations changed from a 9 win team to winning the ACC Coastal and 10 wins.

On November 2nd, we lost to FSU. I am not condoning a lost to FSU but we Lost. They were better than us and it showed. With everything still on the table, all I wanted was a rematch with FSU. Even though Duke Johnson, the leader on offense and our best playmaker went down, I believed the rematch was still possible.

On November 9th, at home against VT we lost and we lost bad. Everyone lost that game, especially the defense. The coaching was poor, the energy was poor and the turnovers sealed the deal early. There is no need to go into detail over the game specifically as we all saw it with our own eyes.

This game had tremendous implications and was quite possibly the biggest game in Al’s tenure but we lost.

Today, we’re 7-2 (3-2) and a rematch against FSU is unlikely. Even though I think VT will still lose a game, I don’t think we can run 3 straight. I think we will be in a dog fight every game, I expect this team to have a bunch of issues over the next 3 games.

Year 1: 6-6 (3-5) (Bowl Ban)
Year 2: 7-5 (5-3) (Bowl Ban)
Year 3: 7-2 (3-2) (Bowl Game Unknown)
Total: 20-13 (11-10)

Since every year we play different teams OOC, let’s discuss strictly our performance in the ACC (since those schedules are similar). It appears that we still could have some improvement (not enough) in terms of a record stand point in the ACC. But even at 6-2 it would not be satisfying given what we could have achieved this season.

I know some people are going to say injuries and talent are at least partially to blame for where we are today. While I agree in part, I believed we still should have beaten VT. I believed we were good enough to not turn the ball over (including the bad snap) 3 times and win the game ugly (4th quarter). Injuries are part of football though, teams get injured (look at UF) and things change. One must rise above it, even without our players (Johnson, Dorsett and Scott) we still must win games. Even with Bush having a hernia surgery, we still need to put out something good at Safety as Highsmith is unacceptable.

Overall 10 wins would be a minor consolation prize but I rather be in the ACCCG, I wanted a rematch. I would have rather beat VT and Duke, lose nail bitters to Pitt and UVA and get to the game at 9-3. I just wanted that rematch. I wanted to really win the coastal this season. 10 wins is more than 9 wins but 10 wins on its own doesn’t mean much. While I acknowledge that it is one more than I predicted before the season, my expectations changed over time. While I also acknowledge we haven’t won 10 games since 2003, it is only a mitigation of damages without winning the ACC Coastal.

Over the last 33 games, we have seen the following:

Improvement:
- Physical Training (Players are bigger and stronger)
- Winning games in the 4th quarter

Little to No Improvement:
- Defense (Scoring + Pressure)
- Turnovers (Offense)
- Lack of Complete Games

Even though this team suffers clear talent issues (Insert Player X couldn’t start at School Y), I believed we were good enough to beat VT and perform better overall this season. We fail to play complete games even when we win. I liked that prior to FSU, we fought to the end but things are different now and one game (VT) can kill all that improvement/success. One game can destroy what we did achieved this season.


Part II: Inheritance, Intangibles, the NCAA and Recruiting

Inheritance: Al inherited a Shelby Cobra but it was missing all the parts. We were just a name. This program was in bad shape for awhile. The talent was lacking, the culture was shot and the last 4 years (under Shannon) were a waste of time. I have always said a team will continue to rebuild until it is done right. The 4 years prior to Al were a waste, it didn’t matter that we grew more irrelevant and the fans were more impatient. The program was just a name when he inherited it. It needed to be built from the ground up.

Intangibles: I think Al is doing a great job as the figurehead of the program. The camps, the social media and the little things are all excellent and great to spread our brand. I think he is a great figurehead but being the HC is more than just being a great figurehead.

Recruiting: I am not going to short change Al here. He did great. He did great and had the NCAA on his back the WHOLE TIME. Since December 2010 to October 2013 (even though the sanctions will continue through 2016) he always had to recruit with the NCAA Cloud. He always had to overcome the negative recruiting and bring in kids. In addition to this hurdle, Miami hasn’t had much success since 2003. It is not always easy to sell a program that is down.

It doesn’t matter whether Al knew prior to taking the job about the potential sanctions that were coming, he handled everything first class. The guy and his staff are tireless recruiters, they never stopped and were able to bring in a boat load of talent.

Here is the future:

QB: R. Williams, Olsen, Kaaya and Rosier
RB: D. Johnson, Edwards, Yearby and Powell
WR: Dorsett, Scott, Coley, Griffin, Langham and Berrios
OL: Flowers, Gadbois, Isadora, Gall, Knighton, Darling, McDermott and Gibbons
TE: Sandland ________ (Left to be desired)

DT: Stuckey, Valentine and Jenkins (Left to be desired)
DE: AQM, McCord, Thomas, Harris and Jackson
LB: Kirby, J. Figs, Grace, M. Smith, Young, Owens and McCray
CB: Howard, Gunter, Crawford and Burns
S: Bush, Jenkins and Carter

ATH: Mayes and Gray

Al and Co have done a great job recruiting even without the NCAA. While there is room for improvement, specifically another RB, DT and S, overall it is tough to complain given the hurdles we faced. Sure another RB, DT and S would be what this team needs right now but this is what he choose to do prior to this season. It would have also been easier to have some more players if we weren’t anticipating sanctions (i.e. playing last year at 79 and this year at 75) but this is the roster Al decided to begin with this season.

I have no doubt in my mind that recruiting will always be great with Al and only improve now with the NCAA behind us. The problem is recruiting is only half the battle, coaching them up (before and during the season) is the other half.

Part III: The Issues and the Future

Before the season I was skeptical with our DC and maybe the DL Coach. While I think we do have talent issues, I believe neither are maximizing their performance with the talent. I am not here to debate the talent, I am realistic but under these realistic expectations I believe we are not performing as good as we can on D.

If Al wants to ride and die with these guys, I believe then Al will fail here and eventually be gone.

It is hard to fire your best friend who you have been working with since 71 BC but if you want to be a professional and you want to win then you have to make difficult decisions. It is Al’s choice and while I do believe Al knows 100000 times more than me about football, it seems there are major issues on the defensive side of the ball (please note I have issues with the offense as well). I can deal with the yards, I can’t deal with the points. I can’t deal with letting up 40+ to VT. I can’t deal with the lack of pressure on opposing QBs.

If Al is going to keep the DC, I am just hoping for the best because I don’t believe (even if talent improves) that things will change much based on the last 33 games. Al as CEO is responsible for the defense (either because he hired the DC or he is actually coaching the defense) and this can’t continue if we are to have success and become a much better program.

I believe that our fan base is free to make any opinions about our program and the HC. I believe that whether you like it or not, barring a complete let down, Al will be given the chance at 2014 and 2015 to get us back to where we should be headed. You can complain every day about any issue but it is a waste of time IMO because of the above.

As for the rest of 2013, we have 3 games left and a bowl game. Even if the best case scenario happens and we go 6-2 in the ACC and win the Toilet Bowl, it will be a letdown IMO. That does not mean I want to lose but I just think it would be a letdown in terms of how my expectations changed at 3-0. Even without Duke Johnson, I think we can beat Duke, Pitt and UVA. That doesn’t mean we will beat them but we could beat them. My hope is that Al can get these kids back and win our next 3. It would be beneficial but not a success to improve from 5-3 in the ACC last year.

In December of 2010, when Al was hired I never thought he was going to instantly change the program and win right of the back. I think he inherited utter dog crud and it would take awhile for culture change and improvement (I still believe he inherited crap). I thought it was going to be a process and there would be slow improvement. While I think there were some hurdles along the way to slow things down and some improvement was actually shown it was not at the pace I wanted or believed.

I thought when Al had the majority of upperclassman as his kids we would truly show what he can do. It is approaching that time, this is year three and his underclassman are becoming the elders. I believe 2014 is the make or break year for Al (in terms of whether he can actually get us there). I believe that is when he will have his first real class (2012 class) entering their junior season.

Before VT, I was confident about Al and him having success at Miami. Now I am hoping that Al can have success at Miami. I am hoping that he will make the necessary changes and these issues will be corrected. I would regain some confidence if he made personnel changes and brought in a much better DC and DL Coach (if necessary) and let them run the show on Defense but if he sticks with Coach D, I can only hope for success because I am not confident we achieve that success.

While the season is not lost, I feel it was a letdown given how things were going.


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This roster still only has 75 players on it and many of those players are still not Miami caliber, specifically the upperclassmen. Until the talent is back and the numbers are right this program is what it is. The coaching is not the problem. Give Golden and this coaching staff FSU's roster and they beat anybody in the nation at will.
 
This roster still only has 75 players on it and many of those players are still not Miami caliber, specifically the upperclassmen. Until the talent is back and the numbers are right this program is what it is. The coaching is not the problem. Give Golden and this coaching staff FSU's roster and they beat anybody in the nation at will.

I am not here to fight or bicker but these hypothetical situations are irrelevant (trade this roster for that roster). As I stated, we have talent issues but these issues don't excuse the performance against VT. VT's offense is utter crap, our defense played like crap, VT's offense looked good.

If it is truly the talent, if the blame could mostly be blamed on the talent, then all Al has to do is to continue to bring in kids and this talent will correct itself. Next year the 2012 class becomes juniors for the most part. His kids are now adults, if the majority of issues are squarely talent based then things will resolve themselves.
 
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This roster still only has 75 players on it and many of those players are still not Miami caliber, specifically the upperclassmen. Until the talent is back and the numbers are right this program is what it is. The coaching is not the problem. Give Golden and this coaching staff FSU's roster and they beat anybody in the nation at will.

holy **** you are really just plum crazy
 
I understand the issues on defense, but I doubt that it is simply because of ONE awful DC. Does the DC deserve blame when our defense is dragged for 30 yards making a tackle, or being unable to stop a 3 & 17 when 3 tackles are missed? At a certain point, its up to the players to perform basic fundamentals that are beyond any scheme or defensive philosophy.

I expected a 9-10 win season, so I'm not overtly disappointed in the results in total (though I would have loved to win the coastal); but next year is when Al will show us whether he's the guy for the job.
 
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This roster still only has 75 players on it and many of those players are still not Miami caliber, specifically the upperclassmen. Until the talent is back and the numbers are right this program is what it is. The coaching is not the problem. Give Golden and this coaching staff FSU's roster and they beat anybody in the nation at will.

holy **** you are really just plum crazy


Did we need to go more than 75 deep against Vag Tech? Did our 75th guy cost us that game? This sht's absurd at this point. Anyone who accepts or excuses that VT abortion isn't even worth talking to.
 
This roster still only has 75 players on it and many of those players are still not Miami caliber, specifically the upperclassmen. Until the talent is back and the numbers are right this program is what it is. The coaching is not the problem. Give Golden and this coaching staff FSU's roster and they beat anybody in the nation at will.

Our numbers are low and talent is not up to par, but other DC get more out of other player who are even lest talented then what we field. The Kids don't like playing for Donofrio and that is just part of the reason. They clearly don't believe in what he is running because it hasn't worked in 3 years! We need a new DC who can relate and actully coach.
 
We can agree or disagree but I don't like how this team can have some many variations in performance this season. It is like a tale of two different teams in examining the Defense (UF + ACC)

The Good:

Against UF, 16 total points and 5 Turnovers. Keep in mind one touchdown came on a blocked punt for short field.

Against GT, 30 total points is not good but our offense turns it over 4 times. The defense forces 3 of their own and we have a pick 6 to neutralize the 30 total points.

Against UNC, we let up 23 total points but again our offense turns it over 4 times. Our defense forces 2 TOs and blocks a FG for a touchdown to neutralize the 23 points.

Against WF, we let up 21 total points. Mostly because of our inability to tackle (blame coaching or blame talent or blame jebus) but they did pretty well and forced a turnover.


The SHlT

FSU and VT (no need to go into)
 
I understand the issues on defense, but I doubt that it is simply because of ONE awful DC. Does the DC deserve blame when our defense is dragged for 30 yards making a tackle, or being unable to stop a 3 & 17 when 3 tackles are missed? At a certain point, its up to the players to perform basic fundamentals that are beyond any scheme or defensive philosophy.

I expected a 9-10 win season, so I'm not overtly disappointed in the results in total (though I would have loved to win the coastal); but next year is when Al will show us whether he's the guy for the job.

I personally think a change will come by a seasons end if things go more south. If not, we can expect the same lousy defense next year.
 
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One must rise above it, even without our players (Johnson, Dorsett and Scott) we still must win games. If Al wants to ride and die with these guys, I believe then Al will fail here and eventually be gone.

I agree that a coach must work with the cards he is dealt... However, you can't just sweep under the rug the 3 players listed above being out.. They are our 3 most productive playmakers on offense, with a gimped up (half broken) Morris being the other. We simply don't have the depth at WR (or RB) to overcome losing them in that type atmosphere. (monsoon) In order to beat VT, we needed to play perfectly in our ST game (while getting a few big plays) & win the turnover battle... both we failed at.

For your second part, that remains to be seen. AG is a very loyal guy.. but he isn't a moron. I expect him to make the necessary changes in the offseason & continue to improve this program.. If he doesn't, well, it will be to his demise.
 
I understand the issues on defense, but I doubt that it is simply because of ONE awful DC. Does the DC deserve blame when our defense is dragged for 30 yards making a tackle, or being unable to stop a 3 & 17 when 3 tackles are missed? At a certain point, its up to the players to perform basic fundamentals that are beyond any scheme or defensive philosophy.

I expected a 9-10 win season, so I'm not overtly disappointed in the results in total (though I would have loved to win the coastal); but next year is when Al will show us whether he's the guy for the job.

I understand what you are saying but I have seen too many mixed performances from the defense to believe that Coach D can do the right things. If we fail to be consistent, then we will fail.

Does the DC deserve blame? Sure if he is not putting our players in the right place to succeed. Sure against WF and UNC our players missed assignments and failed to execute when in position to make a play, that will always happen as no team is perfect. But some of the issues (lining a DE 20 yards off the ball against WF) are pretty blatant and we continue to see the same issues over and over again.

My biggest issue is the lack of pressure. I can't deal with this lack of pressure. If your front 4 can't get pressure then change things up. We allow some pretty average QBs to eat us up because we don't get the pressure we need. I can totally deal with the yards, I just can't deal with the lack of pressure and the points we're allowing especially against VT.

My other issue, is that I don't think he gets the most out of the players we have. This too me reeks of problems at DC.
 
The "lack of complete games" thing is very tricky and not quite fair.

Most of the team has played solid 60 minutes of football in several games this year. The real problem has been Morris who has gone total Potato for entire halfs of football. He's been the reason why it seems the team hasnt played a "complete game".
 
One must rise above it, even without our players (Johnson, Dorsett and Scott) we still must win games. If Al wants to ride and die with these guys, I believe then Al will fail here and eventually be gone.

I agree that a coach must work with the cards he is dealt... However, you can't just sweep under the rug the 3 players listed above being out.. They are our 3 most productive playmakers on offense, with a gimped up (half broken) Morris being the other. We simply don't have the depth at WR (or RB) to overcome losing them in that type atmosphere. (monsoon) In order to beat VT, we needed to play perfectly in our ST game (while getting a few big plays) & win the turnover battle... both we failed at.

For your second part, that remains to be seen. AG is a very loyal guy.. but he isn't a moron. I expect him to make the necessary changes in the offseason & continue to improve this program.. If he doesn't, well, it will be to his demise.

I debated this in my head for awhile, specifically Duke and Dorsett being out against VT. Let's say for some reason we are able to have them healthy for VT for the game. Do the two fumbles on Punt and Kickoff Return Happen? Maybe no. Is this enough win the game? Maybe it changes things, but it doesn't matter. Our offense, while not doing much, didn't lose the game for us. Our defense was unable to really stop VT. I find fault with the offense, I find a lot of fault with the turnovers but the defense really failed us and played like crud and those injuries players don't play on defense. Injuries have to be overcome, the speculation is a waste of time....the outcome is what matters.

I have no idea what Al will do, I believe he will make a change if he truly understands that things are not working well.
 
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This roster still only has 75 players on it and many of those players are still not Miami caliber, specifically the upperclassmen. Until the talent is back and the numbers are right this program is what it is. The coaching is not the problem. Give Golden and this coaching staff FSU's roster and they beat anybody in the nation at will.

holy **** you are really just plum crazy


Did we need to go more than 75 deep against Vag Tech? Did our 75th guy cost us that game? This sht's absurd at this point. Anyone who accepts or excuses that VT abortion isn't even worth talking to.

I think he is saying that if we had some more recruits, then potentially one of those guys could have influenced the game.

For example: If in 2012 we brought in another LB, could that LB impact the game?

The answer is who cares.
 
The "lack of complete games" thing is very tricky and not quite fair.

Most of the team has played solid 60 minutes of football in several games this year. The real problem has been Morris who has gone total Potato for entire halfs of football. He's been the reason why it seems the team hasnt played a "complete game".

I disagree, to me it evidences a team that is inconsistent and not being motivated.
 
I don't see much improvement, but I recognize injuries (particularly on offense) have played a large role in that.

I really like Al, and I truly hope for success for him and his staff.
But we need change. If not in personnel, then in philosophy and approach. We have plenty of evidence that the defensive scheme does not work. Even with better talent, we'd still lose a game or two every season with that scheme in place. We can't play scared. We can't play reactionary football. We need to get more aggressive and attack, and we need that mindset to permeate through our players.

So I'm hoping the coaches learn from their mistakes. Because if they continue on the path we're on, we're just wasting more time, continuing Shannon's motif.
 
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When you start the season with 75 'ship players, and you lose Duke Johnson, Dorsett, Scott, Bush we are going to lose! We just don't have the horses to overcome these injuries on offense. The Defense has a number of average players in the 1st and 2nd units, i.e.Gaines, Rodgers, Highsmith, Robinson, Renfrow, Green, Cornelius, Cain, Gilbert. There are just not enough plays made by these guys...

Give Coach Golden four solid recruiting classes and lets see what happens in 2014. I know no one wants to accept it but this program was rock bottom due to the ineptness of the previous coach. There is lots of building going on and it does take some time...
 
specifically Duke and Dorsett being out against VT. Let's say for some reason we are able to have them healthy for VT for the game. Do the two fumbles on Punt and Kickoff Return Happen? Maybe no. Is this enough win the game? Maybe it changes things, but it doesn't matter. Our offense, while not doing much, didn't lose the game for us. Our defense was unable to really stop VT. I find fault with the offense, I find a lot of fault with the turnovers but the defense really failed us and played like crud and those injuries players don't play on defense. Injuries have to be overcome, the speculation is a waste of time....the outcome is what matters. I have no idea what Al will do, I believe he will make a change if he truly understands that things are not working well.

The offense didn't lose the game for us.. it was a combination of turnovers (momentum swing), weather conditions, injuries & confidence. Had we not fumbled & went up 2 scores, how does LT respond? Personally, I think he presses & is a completely different QB. The game of football is very fickle like that. All I know is that we had 3 different true freshman return the first 3 KO's.. two of which were fumbled. I don't see how that fact alone doesn't show people our lack of depth (and upperclassmen playmakers) on this roster. AG knew ball security was key in this monsoon.. yet that's all he had available. Very telling IYAM.
 
This roster still only has 75 players on it and many of those players are still not Miami caliber, specifically the upperclassmen. Until the talent is back and the numbers are right this program is what it is. The coaching is not the problem. Give Golden and this coaching staff FSU's roster and they beat anybody in the nation at will.

HA HAHA HAH AH AH...love this guy...

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specifically Duke and Dorsett being out against VT. Let's say for some reason we are able to have them healthy for VT for the game. Do the two fumbles on Punt and Kickoff Return Happen? Maybe no. Is this enough win the game? Maybe it changes things, but it doesn't matter. Our offense, while not doing much, didn't lose the game for us. Our defense was unable to really stop VT. I find fault with the offense, I find a lot of fault with the turnovers but the defense really failed us and played like crud and those injuries players don't play on defense. Injuries have to be overcome, the speculation is a waste of time....the outcome is what matters. I have no idea what Al will do, I believe he will make a change if he truly understands that things are not working well.

The offense didn't lose the game for us.. it was a combination of turnovers (momentum swing), weather conditions, injuries & confidence. Had we not fumbled & went up 2 scores, how does LT respond? Personally, I think he presses & is a completely different QB. The game of football is very fickle like that. All I know is that we had 3 different true freshman return the first 3 KO's.. two of which were fumbled. I don't see how that fact alone doesn't show people our lack of depth (and upperclassmen playmakers) on this roster. AG knew ball security was key in this monsoon.. yet that's all he had available. Very telling IYAM.

It is what it is, it rained. We have to play sometimes in these conditions and with freshman in said conditions. Sometimes you fumble and lose the ball, VT fumbles and either advances 15 yards or gets a TD. It is what it is.

What is IYAM? (In your?)
 
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