UVA's 2004 defensive playbook (when Al was DC)

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Shouldn't it just read 2 Gap, Cover 3, Play off on every page??

I know this tongue firmly planted in cheek, but it's so difficult suffering the maroons around here who actually think they know more football than Golden or D'onofrio. I can level with the people who understand, but don't agree with the style of defense. That's ONE thing, but to act as if D'Onofrio is incompetent when you consider the list of defensive gurus and masterminds that both Golden and D have been around, is just preposterous to me.

Schiano
Parcells
Belicheck
Al Groh
Paterno

It just reads like a who's who in the past 50 years of football of the greatest defensive minds the game has ever seen, yet people think they know better?

Go sit down.
 
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I did some quick research and i read tom o'brien said golden likes to be very aggressive on defense but we haven't seen it at uva,temple or miami and the main thing all three they all have in common is weak secondary play.To play a more attack style d like bama and lsu you have to have the dbs who can play man coverage and force turnovers and miami has struggled on the back end at both.
 
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The problem I have with Dnofrio's scheme is not that it is just vanilla, but that it is predictable and full of more holes than swiss cheese. I know for a fact if I can sit on my couch at home and know which receiver is going to get the ball simply because of the formation and setup of the defense on the field, then **** well a professional OC and college QB can see it too.
 
Shouldn't it just read 2 Gap, Cover 3, Play off on every page??

I know this tongue firmly planted in cheek, but it's so difficult suffering the maroons around here who actually think they know more football than Golden or D'onofrio. I can level with the people who understand, but don't agree with the style of defense. That's ONE thing, but to act as if D'Onofrio is incompetent when you consider the list of defensive gurus and masterminds that both Golden and D have been around, is just preposterous to me.

Schiano
Parcells
Belicheck
Al Groh
Paterno

It just reads like a who's who in the past 50 years of football of the greatest defensive minds the game has ever seen, yet people think they know better?

Go sit down.

Agreed and this year tell if we are on track with the defense.
 
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The problem I have with Dnofrio's scheme is not that it is just vanilla, but that it is predictable and full of more holes than swiss cheese. I know for a fact if I can sit on my couch at home and know which receiver is going to get the ball simply because of the formation and setup of the defense on the field, then **** well a professional OC and college QB can see it too.

I would think D'Onofrio could start changing things up last year. The players last year were ******** up their assignments playing basic defense. Getting creative would have screwed things up even more.
 
Bicho can see why a bunch of 18 year olds out of high school and JAG's recruited to play a 4-3 cover 2 simple defense would have a tough time learning all this. No wonder they were so bad last year.
 
Is that while watching it the second time thru on your DVR?

The problem I have with Dnofrio's scheme is not that it is just vanilla, but that it is predictable and full of more holes than swiss cheese. I know for a fact if I can sit on my couch at home and know which receiver is going to get the ball simply because of the formation and setup of the defense on the field, then **** well a professional OC and college QB can see it too.
 
Also, notice how integral the defense is as a whole and think of what happens of 2 guys ***** up? The holes would be very big and easy to throw into. Well, how interesting... We have heard guys like THoward, Bush, Highsmith plus a few others all comment on how many Mental Errors they had last year. This is kind of what I was eluding to the other day when I said if we had a chance to spend one week with this staff I would be willing to bet ANY poster on here would be totally on board with this staff in feeling like they knew what the heck they were doing. There is too much in order for me to believe that the staff does not know how to adjust or try at the very least to get players in a position to make plays that best fits their skill set.
 
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The problem I have with Dnofrio's scheme is not that it is just vanilla, but that it is predictable and full of more holes than swiss cheese. I know for a fact if I can sit on my couch at home and know which receiver is going to get the ball simply because of the formation and setup of the defense on the field, then **** well a professional OC and college QB can see it too.

No way.

The strength, imo, is disguise because of the different personnel groupings the DC can employ. It seems AG recruits guys with multiple skill sets so they can play multiple positions, if not, they have to have the IQ and work ethic to become complete players. Safeties who can cover deep thirds and halves, play in the box and cover the slot: DBush, KRodgers (fingers crossed); LBs who can pass rush, read and react quickly and cover with adequate depth; they must be smart guys who can lead verbally and by example and are extremely aggressive players: TMcord, DPerryman, JGrace, Darrion Owens; D-Lineman who can play multiple positions and techniques. AQM JHamilton, OPierre, UKamalu--- ALL of these players have to be able to tackle one-on-one and in space. DNofrio's theme this year has been improving tackling and of course, eliminating mental errors.

It's perfect for confusing offenses. DNofrio can give a 4-3 under look, shift to a 3-4 concept with the ability to audible on the field as necessary or at will. Offenses will have A LOT to prepare for. DNofrio has mentioned playing 22+ players in a game. That's a lot of packages.It's a mentally challenging scheme, especially for in-coming freshman. They have to not only read formations and techniques, they have to be able to adjust on the fly, re-route receivers. It may take 2 years for a player to master this scheme.

MODS: Request to tack this thread:http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/54877-3-4-and-4-3-Under-the-front-7-%28long%29 It can be useful this year to eliminate senseless badgering and provide a reference for intelligent discussion.
 
Bicho can see why a bunch of 18 year olds out of high school and JAG's recruited to play a 4-3 cover 2 simple defense would have a tough time learning all this. No wonder they were so bad last year.

I've been screaming this for about 2 years, but the Shannonites don't want to hear it.

And not just 18 year olds: 18 year olds whose HS corches are retired mediocre rappers.
 
Is that while watching it the second time thru on your DVR?

The problem I have with Dnofrio's scheme is not that it is just vanilla, but that it is predictable and full of more holes than swiss cheese. I know for a fact if I can sit on my couch at home and know which receiver is going to get the ball simply because of the formation and setup of the defense on the field, then **** well a professional OC and college QB can see it too.

Haha no. When it's obvious the defense has problems with tackling especially in the open field and the DC is afraid to send a blitz once in while (Dnofrio was overly conservative the first half of the season with blitzes) then the OC is looking for space and when the CB is playing 10+ yards off the receiver, it's obvious where the ball is going to go. As far as the blitz goes, I understand we did not have great personnel and did not want to get left hanging by blitzing, but not blitzing was not working either, and at some point you have to change it up.

I don't claim to know more than Dnofrio and I also understand the personnel situation was less than ideal, but if your saturday couch qb can see the weakness in the D before the snap regardless of personnel on the field, so can the other team. I'm not saying it's time to fire him yet simply because we have not had the players, but you are naive to not start looking in his direction as a potential weakness. If our defense is not better this year (I'm not expecting top 10, but we need to not be an embarrassment on the field) then you are going to hear the sounds of people looking to remove dnofrio get much louder.
 
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Is that while watching it the second time thru on your DVR?

The problem I have with Dnofrio's scheme is not that it is just vanilla, but that it is predictable and full of more holes than swiss cheese. I know for a fact if I can sit on my couch at home and know which receiver is going to get the ball simply because of the formation and setup of the defense on the field, then **** well a professional OC and college QB can see it too.

Haha no. When it's obvious the defense has problems with tackling especially in the open field and the DC is afraid to send a blitz once in while (Dnofrio was overly conservative the first half of the season with blitzes) then the OC is looking for space and when the CB is playing 10+ yards off the receiver, it's obvious where the ball is going to go. As far as the blitz goes, I understand we did not have great personnel and did not want to get left hanging by blitzing, but not blitzing was not working either, and at some point you have to change it up.

I don't claim to know more than Dnofrio and I also understand the personnel situation was less than ideal, but if your saturday couch qb can see the weakness in the D before the snap regardless of personnel on the field, so can the other team. I'm not saying it's time to fire him yet simply because we have not had the players, but you are naive to not start looking in his direction as a potential weakness. If our defense is not better this year (I'm not expecting top 10, but we need to not be an embarrassment on the field) then you are going to hear the sounds of people looking to remove dnofrio get much louder.


This is not D'Onofrio's scheme. This is Golden's scheme.

D'Onofrio is running the defense Golden wants to run. They're best friends, and they've worked closely together for over a decade. This isn't some trial run with an unknown coordinator. I'm sure they routinely have intense discussions about the defense (philosophy, personnel, etc...).

People can scream all that want, but I find it highly unlikely D'Onofrio goes anywhere unless Golden is gone, too.
 
...then the OC is looking for space and when the CB is playing 10+ yards off the receiver, it's obvious where the ball is going to go..

You're an idiot, and you obviously didn't read the defensive playbook attached. Here's the cliffs notes, when the CB is playing soft coverage like that, it means it's the LINEBACKER'S responsibility to cover the short flat.

You're about as bright as all those yahoos who were complaining about "our CB's being 10 yards off the ball" when we lost to Maryland, you obviously don't understand this scheme. Maryland stopped throwing the bubble screen to the WR when Ramon Buchanon started blowing it up. That's how the scheme was designed. The reason it didn't work in the first half is because of poor linebacker play, not because the corners were playing too soft. SMH.

One thing that pops out to me about this scheme is that you live and die by your linebackers, more than any other scheme I know. You really need smart, fast, and strong linebackers to run this.
 
Wow, good find and great read. Ernie is right - much of the onus for diagnosing the play is placed on the LBs.

Based on that playbook (which admittedly is from UVA 2004 and not from Miami 2013), there are a LOT of base Cover 2 looks and variations ("Nail", "Okie", "Tampa", and the "Stack 2") used particularly to defend spread/shotgun formations without the blitz. Many of the blitz packages appear to be Fire Zone/Cover 3, or Cover 0.

Since any kind of comprehensive discussion of the entire playbook would be a massive waste of time and finger strength, I'll examine one match-up specifically for both the base and blitz scenarios - the "Stack Cover 2/Colt" vs. Trips Mid (page 35-E if you're keeping score) for a basic Cover 2 look, and the "Cover 9/99" Fire Zone Blitz (pg. 39). I'll then offer a brief opinion on these coverages based on our current back 7 personnel.


Stack Cover 2

In this instance, the CBs are responsible for the flats while the safeties split the deep halves. The SAM and MIKE backers play the curl and hook, shading toward the slot receiver/TE, while the JACK backer (the other ILB) plays the weakside curl. The WILL is the 4th rusher in this scenario.

With our current makeup, I think you'd see Gunter and Crawford playing the CBs (not sure if they're jamming the WR at the line or just holding position, but either way, that's who I'd have out there in this instance.) Perryman and Gaines would play SAM and MIKE respectively. JACK backer I'm thinking Armbrister, and McCord/Figs at WILL. This gets our more experienced backers playing the zones, and allows McCord/Figs to create pressure off the weak side.


Cover 9/99 Fire Zone Blitz

As the playbook says, this is a Zone Blitz using the 3 down linemen and two "other rushers" to create a 5-man rush, the combinations of which are identified by different animal names. The advantage here is that, depending on the animal name (or whatever identifier they're using now), you can disguise the pressure.

In the basic setup, both CBs and the SS bail out to the deep 1/3s. What's interesting to me are the footnotes at the bottom of this page which indicate the CBs need to be savvy enough to turn and drive on a 3-step drop/curl, and switch to man coverage on routes over 10 yards. The SS must be the deepest defender, help out on post patterns, and keep his eye on the QB as he scans the field ("see the throw.")

The SAM backer and FS's primary responsibility is to the seam route. If the #2 receiver goes inside, they play the curl/flat, if outside, they man up and watch for wheel routes. They also must be aware of any audibles/"hot" receivers. (WHEW!)

The MIKE's first job is to defend the middle hook/crosses/quick throws, and then to read the QBs eyes for deeper patterns.

The JACK and WILL backers rush the QB from the weak side in this instance, while the 3 down linemen crash the strong side.


Needless to say, the lion's share of the decision-making in this defense rests with the SAM backer and free safety (Perryman and Rogers/AJ.) I can hear the groans already about Rogers/AJ, but I feel like in this particular situation, you need some heady experienced players playing the seam. Bush will be the SS playing centerfield, though I could certainly see an argument to switch Bush and Highsmith in this look. You want your CBs to have speed but also play-recognition skills here, so Gunter and Crawford again would be my choices, though if you switched Howard for Gunter, I wouldn't complain much.

As for the other LBs, I think Gaines still plays MIKE here, and then you can get a nice combination of McCord, Figs, even check Gilbert in at WILL for the pass rush and have Chick, Porter, and Kamalu as the DL.


As always, I end with the massive caveat that I may very well be talking out my ***, but I welcome any and all discussion.
 
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...then the OC is looking for space and when the CB is playing 10+ yards off the receiver, it's obvious where the ball is going to go..

You're an idiot, and you obviously didn't read the defensive playbook attached. Here's the cliffs notes, when the CB is playing soft coverage like that, it means it's the LINEBACKER'S responsibility to cover the short flat.

You're about as bright as all those yahoos who were complaining about "our CB's being 10 yards off the ball" when we lost to Maryland, you obviously don't understand this scheme. Maryland stopped throwing the bubble screen to the WR when Ramon Buchanon started blowing it up. That's how the scheme was designed. The reason it didn't work in the first half is because of poor linebacker play, not because the corners were playing too soft. SMH.

One thing that pops out to me about this scheme is that you live and die by your linebackers, more than any other scheme I know. You really need smart, fast, and strong linebackers to run this.

The linebackers' responsibilities are tough in any defense when you're asking them to play curl/hook zone to buzzing the flats. That's a lot of area for them to cover, particularly on the wide side of the field.

The interesting point I gathered from the pdf attachment is that it seems Groh's philosophy utilizes both pattern reading and spot dropping concepts in zone coverages. In some split-safety looks they call for pattern reading number two receiver. Also they are pattern reading number two receiver in certain single high looks.

I think it is no coincidence that the weak line defensively as it pertains to underneath coverage has been the play of the linebackers/nicback. It's almost as if they are being asked to execute two schemes in both the run and passing game. From a strictly 3-4 defensive standpoint, the inside linebackers seem as though they're asked to control 2 gaps verses the running game. Against the passing game they are asked to spot drop in certain situations and pattern read in other instances. That's tough to ask of a collegiate defense with all the practice limitations, etc. It seems to me that this type of scheme is better suited for the next level. JMO.
 
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