2018 Nigel Bethel, Jr.

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Funny, but teams like that have polluted everyone's brain and helped to further the mercenary mindset over there. Bad for UM football! (Read that last sentence in a Donald Trump voice)

What you call a "mercenary mindset," I call a "professional mindset." These guys are already going through free agency in Pop Warner. Football isn't sentimental down here. It's a competitive, cutthroat business. That's why so many kids transfer.

The result of this professional mindset is players who are ready to compete in a professional environment. South Florida produces NFL players, not insurance salesmen saying "Texas Forever" on the back of a pickup truck.

Does it hurt UM? It certainly makes it tougher when your only pitch is hometown sentimentality. The staff's job is to make Miami the best professional decision.

For the most part, kids ran away from Coker, Shannon and Golden because it made professional sense. Miami was taking Pro Bowlers and turning them into 4th round picks. They were absolutely right. Now that we have proven professionals on staff, we are getting the #1 class in the country. It's not a coincidence.

What you're saying encapsulates part of the mindset down here, but it doesn't excuse or explain such a weakass pos statement from that "coach"

What he should be doing, if everything you say is correct, is modeling mature and professional behavior and not sounding like a spurned bītch that isn't getting hits. If you want the kid, keep recruiting him, I'm not saying stop. But maybe somebody needs to instruct this "coach" on doing and saying what's best for his players and acting like a grownup and not a petulant child with poor impulse control.

And other posters are right with the attitude some local coaches have down here. Places like Alabama and Gainesville get more consideration and respect, in a general sense, than Miami, the local school. I'm not talking about where the SA's finally end up going, or who's winning more at the time, but how the other schools get slack, but Miami has to do everything perfectly or they bītch about it, and sometimes do it publicly.

 

[Hurracanes]

Funny, but teams like that have polluted everyone's brain and helped to further the mercenary mindset over there. Bad for UM football! (Read that last sentence in a Donald Trump voice)

What you call a "mercenary mindset," I call a "professional mindset." These guys are already going through free agency in Pop Warner. Football isn't sentimental down here. It's a competitive, cutthroat business. That's why so many kids transfer.

The result of this professional mindset is players who are ready to compete in a professional environment. South Florida produces NFL players, not insurance salesmen saying "Texas Forever" on the back of a pickup truck.

Does it hurt UM? It certainly makes it tougher when your only pitch is hometown sentimentality. The staff's job is to make Miami the best professional decision.

For the most part, kids ran away from Coker, Shannon and Golden because it made professional sense. Miami was taking Pro Bowlers and turning them into 4th round picks. They were absolutely right. Now that we have proven professionals on staff, we are getting the #1 class in the country. It's not a coincidence.

What you're saying encapsulates part of the mindset down here, but it doesn't excuse or explain such a weakass pos statement from that "coach"

What he should be doing, if everything you say is correct, is modeling mature and professional behavior and not sounding like a spurned bītch that isn't getting hits. If you want the kid, keep recruiting him, I'm not saying stop. But maybe somebody needs to instruct this "coach" on doing and saying what's best for his players and acting like a grownup and not a petulant child with poor impulse control.

And other posters are right with the attitude some local coaches have down here. Places like Alabama and Gainesville get more consideration and respect, in a general sense, than Miami, the local school. I'm not talking about where the SA's finally end up going, or who's winning more at the time, but how the other schools get slack, but Miami has to do everything perfectly or they bītch about it, and sometimes do it publicly.

The Football community in South Florida is a **** show and the politics are absurd. Maintain your expectations of what coaches should or shouldn't be saying especially towards Miami. It is the gift/curse of being that big named program in their backyard. Everyone who wasn't recruited by Miami always has their feelings hurt. Happens in Baseball too. That being said, I still rather be in Miami's position than Florida's or Alabama's. Just win, and everything will work itself out down in Miami.

 

[The Franchise]

Re: the quote, who gives a ****?

Recruit him until he commits, or until you determine it's a waste of time. Then move on to the next one.

People get so offended about recruiting nonsense. Patrick Peterson was the king of recruiting ****ery. He turned out OK. Same with Dalvin Cook.

I want the coach who can cut through the bull**** and sign those guys. Not the guy who drops talented players because he's turned off by Ferman quotes.

Fine. But focus your energy on kids that have the tape and the chops to deserve it. Cook and PP were All- Americans. For this kid, who has played 6.5 snaps at corner? Nah.

Yeah. It's one thing to allow Pat Peterson to emasculate you. It's another to suffer that **** from Nigel Patton.

We didn't get either Peterson or Dal Cuck. We played their games and sucked their dycks and still didn't get them.

 

[simplycanes]

Switch Dalvin Cook's jersey and Al Golden beats Jimbo three straight. Sign Bridgewater and Cooper and Golden never gets that chance because Randy's still the coach.

Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon-- cream of the crop players that wasted their talents here.

Cook, Bridgewater and Cooper made smart decisions. The results speak for themselves. I don't want kids to start making bad decisions. I want Miami to become the good decision.

I am not sure you two are talking about precisely the same thing. There is no question we have sucked on the field, the numbers bear that out. We have to improve, stack chips and let the cream of the crop know that if they are a first round talent, they will in fact become a first rounder, not a third or fourth rounder. That is UM's part of the bargain. No question there. Hopefully, by spending the money on Mark Richt and his staff, building the IPF, etc. instead of hiring a "up and coming" staff and putting up a few tent poles, UM is demonstrating its commitment to that relationship.

On the other hand, I do believe that a lot of these kids and the community have fallen down on UM. Through all those 30 for 30s, etc. what's forgotten about the U, is we were the place where it was OK to take inner-city Miami to places like ND, Michigan, Gainesville, Texas, etc. and bloody their noses with it. The rest of these programs are piling on after the fact and these handlers are allowing history to be forgotten for their own gains. That part is wrong. There should be some sense or responsibility to put on for the City and fight for the U, not cut and run where the dollars are bigger and winning was easier. I won't speak for him, but that's Swags point. Unless UM does every single thing right-- offers early, calls daily, recruits teammates, etc.-- they are taken to task unmercifully. On the other hand, some OOS or upstate hotshot rolls into town, craps on UM and slow plays a kids commitment and all is OK. That ain't right either.

 

[DMoney]

What you're saying encapsulates part of the mindset down here, but it doesn't excuse or explain such a weakass pos statement from that "coach"

We don't know how the conversation really went. CanesSport always takes things out of context, and the coach is probably not too experienced at interviews.

Maybe he's really saying this: "I am skeptical of Miami's interest because they did not recruit this player from a powerhouse local school for months. They already have bigger names committed and waited until another player decommitted to offer. Although you are digging for an early flip, Mr. Reporter, I will not take the bait. We will wait until Miami shows that they have interest and a plan for my player. I do not want him lost in the shuffle."

Same thing, stated differently. Or maybe he's just looking for the biggest handout. Who knows? I'm not in his head and I'm not in the conversation. But I try not to kneejerk because these things are so often lost in translation.

 

[simplycanes]

And don't get me started on the likes of Randy Shannon. He was one lazy, stubborn SOB down here. Guy couldn't be bothered to even go watch a Miami Central game during their run, not even to show support for the 305, and now he runs around here like he's Mr. Dade County. Yes, that hurt. People were ****ed. It contributed to the damage UM experienced recruiting down here, but now that he's a turncoat Gheyturd, did any of that animosity follow him??? Nope, it's all OK and UM is the one that is under the microscope-- untrusted and fighting from the beginning. That's the circus that is South FL.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

What you're saying encapsulates part of the mindset down here, but it doesn't excuse or explain such a weakass pos statement from that "coach"

We don't know how the conversation really went. CanesSport always takes things out of context, and the coach is probably not too experienced at interviews.

Maybe he's really saying this: "I am skeptical of Miami's interest because they did not recruit this player from a powerhouse local school for months. They already have bigger names committed and waited until another player decommitted to offer. Although you are digging for an early flip, Mr. Reporter, I will not take the bait. We will wait until Miami shows that they have interest and a plan for my player. I do not want him lost in the shuffle."

Same thing, stated differently. Or maybe he's just looking for the biggest handout. Who knows? I'm not in his head and I'm not in the conversation. But I try not to kneejerk because these things are so often lost in translation.

That's a lot of words to put in his mouth.

I can only go by what was quoted, and what was quoted makes him sound like a punk.

If he didn't say any of that, then bad on whoever quoted him.

In the meantime, I'm tired of the attitude that SOME of these coaches have towards our school.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Switch Dalvin Cook's jersey and Al Golden beats Jimbo three straight. Sign Bridgewater and Cooper and Golden never gets that chance because Randy's still the coach.

Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon-- cream of the crop players that wasted their talents here.

Cook, Bridgewater and Cooper made smart decisions. The results speak for themselves. I don't want kids to start making bad decisions. I want Miami to become the good decision.

I am not sure you two are talking about precisely the same thing. There is no question we have sucked on the field, the numbers bear that out. We have to improve, stack chips and let the cream of the crop know that if they are a first round talent, they will in fact become a first rounder, not a third or fourth rounder. That is UM's part of the bargain. No question there. Hopefully, by spending the money on Mark Richt and his staff, building the IPF, etc. instead of hiring a "up and coming" staff and putting up a few tent poles, UM is demonstrating its commitment to that relationship.

On the other hand, I do believe that a lot of these kids and the community have fallen down on UM. Through all those 30 for 30s, etc. what's forgotten about the U, is we were the place where it was OK to take inner-city Miami to places like ND, Michigan, Gainesville, Texas, etc. and bloody their noses with it. The rest of these programs are piling on after the fact and these handlers are allowing history to be forgotten for their own gains. That part is wrong. There should be some sense or responsibility to put on for the City and fight for the U, not cut and run where the dollars are bigger and winning was easier. I won't speak for him, but that's Swags point. Unless UM does every single thing right-- offers early, calls daily, recruits teammates, etc.-- they are taken to task unmercifully. On the other hand, some OOS or upstate hotshot rolls into town, craps on UM and slow plays a kids commitment and all is OK. That ain't right either.

This is exactly what I'm talking about (bolded/underlined part) and why this coach, assuming he said as quoted, is part of that problem.

 

[grover]

Never believe anything out of Vermin's crew. Coach gets a pass on hearsay from the shadiest of sources. ... we all freaked over Jobe's father's comments, and it turned out he was just making certain that the Miami staff was going to take care of his kid.

We're still 8 months from signing day, and 6 weeks away from Paradise. This isn't late in the game. Coaches will show more than enough love if the kid has the goods and reciprocates.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Funny, but teams like that have polluted everyone's brain and helped to further the mercenary mindset over there. Bad for UM football! (Read that last sentence in a Donald Trump voice)

What you call a "mercenary mindset," I call a "professional mindset." These guys are already going through free agency in Pop Warner. Football isn't sentimental down here. It's a competitive, cutthroat business. That's why so many kids transfer.

The result of this professional mindset is players who are ready to compete in a professional environment. South Florida produces NFL players, not insurance salesmen saying "Texas Forever" on the back of a pickup truck.

Does it hurt UM? It certainly makes it tougher when your only pitch is hometown sentimentality. The staff's job is to make Miami the best professional decision.

For the most part, kids ran away from Coker, Shannon and Golden because it made professional sense. Miami was taking Pro Bowlers and turning them into 4th round picks. They were absolutely right. Now that we have proven professionals on staff, we are getting the #1 class in the country. It's not a coincidence.

What you're saying encapsulates part of the mindset down here, but it doesn't excuse or explain such a weakass pos statement from that "coach"

What he should be doing, if everything you say is correct, is modeling mature and professional behavior and not sounding like a spurned bītch that isn't getting hits. If you want the kid, keep recruiting him, I'm not saying stop. But maybe somebody needs to instruct this "coach" on doing and saying what's best for his players and acting like a grownup and not a petulant child with poor impulse control.

And other posters are right with the attitude some local coaches have down here. Places like Alabama and Gainesville get more consideration and respect, in a general sense, than Miami, the local school. I'm not talking about where the SA's finally end up going, or who's winning more at the time, but how the other schools get slack, but Miami has to do everything perfectly or they bītch about it, and sometimes do it publicly.

What in the world are you talkin about?

The staff cannot comment on specific pre NSD, per NCAA rules.

You have third or fourth hand info saying they wn't keep recruiting him.

Maybe it's true, and if true, maybe they have reasons, not of which you will hear because ... see above.

Maybe it's not even true.

No need to judge when you don't hve the facts here.

 

[gogeta4]

“Miami should have jumped on him - now you jump on him last, we’re going to put you last. That’s the process of the kid’s thinking.” - Bethel's coach

Add this gem to the list of things you don't see anywhere else in the country from a hometown school coach.

Can you imagine this quote coming from a HS coach in Columbus,OH, Tuscaloosa,AL, Tallahassee, FL, Norman, OK, or Austin, TX? What the **** is wrong with you people over there....

which coach said this??

 

[Ethnicsands]

Switch Dalvin Cook's jersey and Al Golden beats Jimbo three straight. Sign Bridgewater and Cooper and Golden never gets that chance because Randy's still the coach.

Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon-- cream of the crop players that wasted their talents here.

Cook, Bridgewater and Cooper made smart decisions. The results speak for themselves. I don't want kids to start making bad decisions. I want Miami to become the good decision.

I am not sure you two are talking about precisely the same thing. There is no question we have sucked on the field, the numbers bear that out. We have to improve, stack chips and let the cream of the crop know that if they are a first round talent, they will in fact become a first rounder, not a third or fourth rounder. That is UM's part of the bargain. No question there. Hopefully, by spending the money on Mark Richt and his staff, building the IPF, etc. instead of hiring a "up and coming" staff and putting up a few tent poles, UM is demonstrating its commitment to that relationship.

On the other hand, I do believe that a lot of these kids and the community have fallen down on UM. Through all those 30 for 30s, etc. what's forgotten about the U, is we were the place where it was OK to take inner-city Miami to places like ND, Michigan, Gainesville, Texas, etc. and bloody their noses with it. The rest of these programs are piling on after the fact and these handlers are allowing history to be forgotten for their own gains. That part is wrong. There should be some sense or responsibility to put on for the City and fight for the U, not cut and run where the dollars are bigger and winning was easier. I won't speak for him, but that's Swags point. Unless UM does every single thing right-- offers early, calls daily, recruits teammates, etc.-- they are taken to task unmercifully. On the other hand, some OOS or upstate hotshot rolls into town, craps on UM and slow plays a kids commitment and all is OK. That ain't right either.

Shalala shut down the old Miami program ages ago.

You cannot blame kids for doing what was the smart thing for themselves.

This school hired three straight incompetent corches.

As for your bolded comment, it os what it is. We ain't a big state program. We have access to the best recruits in the country, but we also take the competitive environment as it is. All in all, it's good for us, but it ain't perfect. No sense in crying over it or blaming kids. If UM does what it should, we'll be okay.

 

[Ethnicsands]

Switch Dalvin Cook's jersey and Al Golden beats Jimbo three straight. Sign Bridgewater and Cooper and Golden never gets that chance because Randy's still the coach.

Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon-- cream of the crop players that wasted their talents here.

Cook, Bridgewater and Cooper made smart decisions. The results speak for themselves. I don't want kids to start making bad decisions. I want Miami to become the good decision.

I am not sure you two are talking about precisely the same thing. There is no question we have sucked on the field, the numbers bear that out. We have to improve, stack chips and let the cream of the crop know that if they are a first round talent, they will in fact become a first rounder, not a third or fourth rounder. That is UM's part of the bargain. No question there. Hopefully, by spending the money on Mark Richt and his staff, building the IPF, etc. instead of hiring a "up and coming" staff and putting up a few tent poles, UM is demonstrating its commitment to that relationship.

On the other hand, I do believe that a lot of these kids and the community have fallen down on UM. Through all those 30 for 30s, etc. what's forgotten about the U, is we were the place where it was OK to take inner-city Miami to places like ND, Michigan, Gainesville, Texas, etc. and bloody their noses with it. The rest of these programs are piling on after the fact and these handlers are allowing history to be forgotten for their own gains. That part is wrong. There should be some sense or responsibility to put on for the City and fight for the U, not cut and run where the dollars are bigger and winning was easier. I won't speak for him, but that's Swags point. Unless UM does every single thing right-- offers early, calls daily, recruits teammates, etc.-- they are taken to task unmercifully. On the other hand, some OOS or upstate hotshot rolls into town, craps on UM and slow plays a kids commitment and all is OK. That ain't right either.

Shalala shut down the old Miami program ages ago.

You cannot blame kids for doing what was the smart thing for themselves.

This school hired three straight incompetent corches.

As for your bolded comment, it os what it is. We ain't a big state program. We have access to the best recruits in the country, but we also take the competitive environment as it is. All in all, it's good for us, but it ain't perfect. No sense in crying over it or blaming kids. If UM does what it should, we'll be okay.

 

[M3N]

And don't get me started on the likes of Randy Shannon. He was one lazy, stubborn SOB down here. Guy couldn't be bothered to even go watch a Miami Central game during their run, not even to show support for the 305, and now he runs around here like he's Mr. Dade County. Yes, that hurt. People were ****ed. It contributed to the damage UM experienced recruiting down here, but now that he's a turncoat Gheyturd, did any of that animosity follow him??? Nope, it's all OK and UM is the one that is under the microscope-- untrusted and fighting from the beginning. That's the circus that is South FL.

Nailed it! Randy ignored every school besides MNW. I Remember there was a kid at Shannon's alma mater (norland) and a stud safety at Jackson he completely ignored. **** he didn't even look at Freeman. But know all is forgotten and goes to every **** school unscathed. It doesn't make any sense. South Florida coaching is as bad as is gets. I've mentioned this before, but there is no respect for the home team. Just refer back to last years Billy Gibson crootment.

It doesn't matter is Saban is the coach here.. it will never change. 4-3 defense won't change it and neither will winning. Recruit who u can down here and go more out of state.

 

[killa1storm]

“Miami should have jumped on him - now you jump on him last, we’re going to put you last. That’s the process of the kid’s thinking.” - Bethel's coach

Add this gem to the list of things you don't see anywhere else in the country from a hometown school coach.

Can you imagine this quote coming from a HS coach in Columbus,OH, Tuscaloosa,AL, Tallahassee, FL, Norman, OK, or Austin, TX? What the **** is wrong with you people over there....

Take out the fact that Miami is involved...how can you disagree with this logic? It's like you being interested in a chick and she tells you to kick rocks to go chase some other dude and then when she strikes out she comes running back to you. A kid who is a backup plan for a staff is also at increased risk for things like being processed. And I've had the fortune to be around Richt and know he doesn't really operate that way but still. How can you be mad at a kid for not accepting being treated like a backup plan? I doubt many people accept being treated that way in their day to day lives.

 

[Canes2082]

“Miami should have jumped on him - now you jump on him last, we’re going to put you last. That’s the process of the kid’s thinking.” - Bethel's coach

Add this gem to the list of things you don't see anywhere else in the country from a hometown school coach.

Can you imagine this quote coming from a HS coach in Columbus,OH, Tuscaloosa,AL, Tallahassee, FL, Norman, OK, or Austin, TX? What the **** is wrong with you people over there....

Take out the fact that Miami is involved...how can you disagree with this logic? It's like you being interested in a chick and she tells you to kick rocks to go chase some other dude and then when she strikes out she comes running back to you. A kid who is a backup plan for a staff is also at increased risk for things like being processed. And I've had the fortune to be around Richt and know he doesn't really operate that way but still. How can you be mad at a kid for not accepting being treated like a backup plan? I doubt many people accept being treated that way in their day to day lives.

Is he mad at UF for not accepting his commitment. That's being treated as a back up plan too but didn't hear his coach throw shade at UF.

Miami has and will always be treated differently when comes to the other schools.

 

[RyanCane26]

Wasn't his brothers recruitment a headache.. apple doesn't fall far

 

[gogeta4]

What the **** is wrong with you people over there....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY1FaWQCN80

Funny, but teams like that have polluted everyone's brain and helped to further the mercenary mindset over there. Bad for UM football! (Read that last sentence in a Donald Trump voice)

MNW was not littered with transfers in the least. Ben Jones was the only real impactful transfer that comes to mind.

Multiple posts from you misunderstanding the geographic layout of talent and school options in Miami

Jones, Washington, Spence, Johnson all started their HS careers elsewhere, IIRC. Streeter went to Turner Tech and played football for MNW.

i thnk only ben jones n washington were true transfer guys. Aldarius played at miami jackson his 9th grade year i believe. spence was there from the jump. Turner tech doesnt have sports so their kids play everywhere...but mostly at miami central since the school is directly behind miami central. That team was pretty homegrown for a s.f team..not as homegrown as btw teams but legit

 

[ILCane2011]

“Miami should have jumped on him - now you jump on him last, we’re going to put you last. That’s the process of the kid’s thinking.” - Bethel's coach

Add this gem to the list of things you don't see anywhere else in the country from a hometown school coach.

Can you imagine this quote coming from a HS coach in Columbus,OH, Tuscaloosa,AL, Tallahassee, FL, Norman, OK, or Austin, TX? What the **** is wrong with you people over there....

which coach said this??

Canesport interviewed Max Edwards

 

[killa1storm]

“Miami should have jumped on him - now you jump on him last, we’re going to put you last. That’s the process of the kid’s thinking.” - Bethel's coach

Add this gem to the list of things you don't see anywhere else in the country from a hometown school coach.

Can you imagine this quote coming from a HS coach in Columbus,OH, Tuscaloosa,AL, Tallahassee, FL, Norman, OK, or Austin, TX? What the **** is wrong with you people over there....

Take out the fact that Miami is involved...how can you disagree with this logic? It's like you being interested in a chick and she tells you to kick rocks to go chase some other dude and then when she strikes out she comes running back to you. A kid who is a backup plan for a staff is also at increased risk for things like being processed. And I've had the fortune to be around Richt and know he doesn't really operate that way but still. How can you be mad at a kid for not accepting being treated like a backup plan? I doubt many people accept being treated that way in their day to day lives.

Is he mad at UF for not accepting his commitment. That's being treated as a back up plan too but didn't hear his coach throw shade at UF.

Miami has and will always be treated differently when comes to the other schools.

He's not considering UF. He tried to commit to UF a few months back and they didn't take his commit. If UF was to suddenly offer and I was his coach I'd tell him the same thing...go where you're a priority. Whether people believe it or not recruiting and life in college often has tons of politics involved. Like I already mentioned backup plans are often the first ones to be processed or fight an uphill battle trying to get on the field even when they may be the better player, etc. Miami realistically has about 8 DB's ahead of this kid, take away your fandom and it's easy to see it's probably a better decision to go somewhere else. Seems like people are just upset with the way the coach relayed the message but at the core it's basically saying they didn't appreciate being treated like a backup plan. Idk many people that do except cucks.