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Could be any of Bethel's coaches. Doesn't have to be the HC. Whoever it is needs to be straightened the fck out.
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Funny, but teams like that have polluted everyone's brain and helped to further the mercenary mindset over there. Bad for UM football! (Read that last sentence in a Donald Trump voice)
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Re: the quote, who gives a ****?
Recruit him until he commits, or until you determine it's a waste of time. Then move on to the next one.
People get so offended about recruiting nonsense. Patrick Peterson was the king of recruiting ****ery. He turned out OK. Same with Dalvin Cook.
I want the coach who can cut through the bull**** and sign those guys. Not the guy who drops talented players because he's turned off by Ferman quotes.
Recruit him until he commits, or until you determine it's a waste of time. Then move on to the next one.
People get so offended about recruiting nonsense. Patrick Peterson was the king of recruiting ****ery. He turned out OK. Same with Dalvin Cook.
I want the coach who can cut through the bull**** and sign those guys. Not the guy who drops talented players because he's turned off by Ferman quotes.
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Fine. But focus your energy on kids that have the tape and the chops to deserve it. Cook and PP were All- Americans. For this kid, who has played 6.5 snaps at corner? Nah.
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You do realize that Safeties are considered DBs (Defensive Backs) too right?
I think you mean that Ivey is the only true CB (Corner Back) we have committed so far.
The coaches like Frierson at CB, but he may end up a FS.
They want Jobe at FS.
They want Hall at SS.
They want Blades and Campbell at CB
And now they want Bethel at CB too.
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Does this kid have any other legit P5 offers other than us?
I'd imagine he's got track offers
I'd imagine he's got track offers
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This program hasn't won **** in almost 2 decades with all that mack daddy 305 talent, primarily because a lot of the best ones have stuck their noses up at us. We need good players to stop leaving and part of the problem is the mentality behind that quote, which seems to be pervasive over there. I give a **** that an adult is putting that in a kid's ear. I don't think it makes him any less of a player, re: the Cook/PP mentions.
Would agree that we're probably making too big of a deal about it with regards to Bethel specifically, it just gets old seeing that kind of crap.
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If you're asking broadly, I give a **** some players/kids are surrounded by adults who have a negative influence. It happens a ton in more than sports. And, for every Patrick Peterson or Dalvin Cook, there are countless examples of guys who let the ****ery-type behavior ruin their potential.
As it relates to our recruiting decisions, don't really care for a number of reasons.
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What you call a "mercenary mindset," I call a "professional mindset." These guys are already going through free agency in Pop Warner. Football isn't sentimental down here. It's a competitive, cutthroat business. That's why so many kids transfer.
The result of this professional mindset is players who are ready to compete in a professional environment. South Florida produces NFL players, not insurance salesmen saying "Texas Forever" on the back of a pickup truck.
Does it hurt UM? It certainly makes it tougher when your only pitch is hometown sentimentality. The staff's job is to make Miami the best professional decision.
For the most part, kids ran away from Coker, Shannon and Golden because it made professional sense. Miami was taking Pro Bowlers and turning them into 4th round picks. They were absolutely right. Now that we have proven professionals on staff, we are getting the #1 class in the country. It's not a coincidence.
Russell is a head hunter back there that has limited ball skills, just goes in for kill shots every play.
He is a targeting penalty waiting to happen.
When he first committed and I knew nothing about him, I was ****ed b/c I know the DBs that we have on our board who are better and thought we took his commitment too early.
But then fell in love with the ferocity this kid plays with.
He is strictly a box Safety who would be a great candidate to grow into an OLB if he had a bigger frame.
IMO this is like Billy Gibson last cycle, where we will not fight to keep him.
Don't get me wrong, I did want him in this class, but he doesn't touch Jobe, Hall or Frierson and Carter has a head start on all of them racking up 10 tackles in our spring scrimmage as an EE True Fr.
Not sour grapes, but he kind of did us a favor, b/c we need more CBs in this cycle with only Ivey as a true CB.
Jobe and Hall will play Safety here, and Frierson may end up at FS also.
After bringing in Carter and Smith who are both severely underrated IMO, and only Bandy, Dean(JUCO) and Delaney(Grad Transfer) at CB, we need to bring in 3+ CBs this cycle.
We still expect Blades and Campbell in this class (Both CBs), and now I'm a bit upset that we wasted time with Russell and decided to not fully pursue Samuels(F$U commit) who is a lock down CB that is just undersized.
So I hope this kid Bethel from MNW is legit.
If we need to tell Sherwood he can start out at Safety to land him, we need to go ahead and do that now that we have lost our 3rd Safety in the class (4th if you consider Frierson a Safety even though our coaches are recruiting him as a CB).
He is a targeting penalty waiting to happen.
When he first committed and I knew nothing about him, I was ****ed b/c I know the DBs that we have on our board who are better and thought we took his commitment too early.
But then fell in love with the ferocity this kid plays with.
He is strictly a box Safety who would be a great candidate to grow into an OLB if he had a bigger frame.
IMO this is like Billy Gibson last cycle, where we will not fight to keep him.
Don't get me wrong, I did want him in this class, but he doesn't touch Jobe, Hall or Frierson and Carter has a head start on all of them racking up 10 tackles in our spring scrimmage as an EE True Fr.
Not sour grapes, but he kind of did us a favor, b/c we need more CBs in this cycle with only Ivey as a true CB.
Jobe and Hall will play Safety here, and Frierson may end up at FS also.
After bringing in Carter and Smith who are both severely underrated IMO, and only Bandy, Dean(JUCO) and Delaney(Grad Transfer) at CB, we need to bring in 3+ CBs this cycle.
We still expect Blades and Campbell in this class (Both CBs), and now I'm a bit upset that we wasted time with Russell and decided to not fully pursue Samuels(F$U commit) who is a lock down CB that is just undersized.
So I hope this kid Bethel from MNW is legit.
If we need to tell Sherwood he can start out at Safety to land him, we need to go ahead and do that now that we have lost our 3rd Safety in the class (4th if you consider Frierson a Safety even though our coaches are recruiting him as a CB).
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Beautiful post.
MNW was not littered with transfers in the least. Ben Jones was the only real impactful transfer that comes to mind.
Multiple posts from you misunderstanding the geographic layout of talent and school options in Miami
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That's actually a good point. What did the coach have to say when they didn't accept the kids commitment?
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Jones, Washington, Spence, Johnson all started their HS careers elsewhere, IIRC. Streeter went to Turner Tech and played football for MNW.
Forgot about Washington. He transferred from Edison, I believe. Idk about the others but they were definitely there as Jrs.
Did you want Streeter to not play football as a result of going to a magnet-type school? Nothing "mercenary" about that.
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The "business decision" deal is great except that for 15 years these kids have been making them all the way to Alabama and Florida State. Those trucks have national championship stickers on their back glass, and their flip phones have wallpaper with kids throwing up a 305 hand sign in their uniforms. And let's face it - probably half of these "business decisions" are for the benefit of their mentors - not the kids. They aren't being professionals, they're being pawns. I don't give a flying **** about Gwen Cherry football if they don't end up in orange and green. Let's hope Richt delivers - FAST - or the business decisions will stop falling our way once more and we'll continue to hang the SoFla football hat on HS football teams and draft numbers instead of Hurricanes football. The same type of optimism with Richt from all of us (including you and me) was seen in years 1 & 2 of the Shannon and Golden eras, too.
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Which is why you have to eventually produce. Otherwise, the community will know you're a fraud.
On one hand, we say that all of these local kids should have been going to Miami the past 15 years. But for the past 15 years, we've been screaming about how incompetent the staffs are. Those guys made smart decisions getting the **** out of here. If we start doing things right, the big timers will stay.
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Switch Dalvin Cook's jersey and Al Golden beats Jimbo three straight. Sign Bridgewater and Cooper and Golden never gets that chance because Randy's still the coach. Larry Coker should have won 2 national titles.
Keep Miami's best kids home and a drunken squirrel could win the ACC.
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Or they could have been like Calais Campbell and Olivier Vernon-- cream of the crop players that wasted their talents here.
Cook, Bridgewater and Cooper made smart decisions. The results speak for themselves. I don't want kids to start making bad decisions. I want Miami to become the good decision.
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