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That's exactly what I been saying the whole time.
Take Campbell and Bethel. Surtain too if ya can.
Point is ya take the 3* great athlete as the kid with huge upside. Bethel is not the bell cow of the DB class, he's the athlete that maybe can be an All-american down the road. I don't want to take kids that don't have All-american potential. Bethel does. He's got the athleticism needed, he just needs the coaching, and hopefully he's got the intangible too.
Kids like Bethel that are great athletes is also how you out recruit Saban. 3* Kids like this are in our backyard and become NFL pro bowl players all the time. The key is finding them.
Recruiting is not just about blue Chip players. It's also about being really good at finding kids under the radar that have the potential to be All-american type players. Butch was phenomenal at this.
Landing the diamond in the rough that becomes a star is pivital. When ya mix those kids with the bluechip studs, that's how u win championships. That is what pushes you over the top. That's how The U has won.
Landing the diamond in the rough that becomes a star is pivital. When ya mix those kids with the bluechip studs, that's how u win championships. That is what pushes you over the top. That's how The U has won.
Thanks for the numbers, fella.
I don't think Bethel could sign with bama or uga but I know the majority of the DB's we just signed could.
When you say something like "Nah... those guys just come down here and grab Josh Jobe and Nadab Joseph and leave the Bethels to us."
That's basically sh1tting on the DB's we just signed...because Saban and uga came for them and left without them.
You are making it sound like Bethel is the headliner of the DB class.
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Recruiting is like gambling. It's all about stacking the odds in your favor.
A five star recruit has a 74% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 23 picked out of 31 total)
A four star recruit has a 21% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 76 picked out of 354 total)
A three star recruit has a 7% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 90 picked out of 1202 total)
Also, we can look at the number of blue chip player on every team's roster, and see that it matches up very well with the team's success:
Number of blue chips:
1.) Alabama (***** 18, **** 51)
2.) Ohio State (***** 7, **** 56)
3.) USC (***** 8, **** 41)
4.) Georgia (***** 11, **** 43)
5.) FSU (***** 10, **** 38)
6.) LSU (***** 4, **** 48)
7.) Michigan (***** 3, **** 46)
8.) Auburn (***** 4, **** 41)
9.) Clemson (***** 6, **** 34)
10.) Notre Dam (***** 0, **** 46)
compare that to...
Current College Football Rankings
1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Georgia
4. Alabama
5. Ohio State
6. Wisconsin
7. Auburn
8. USC
9. Penn State
10. UCF
Obviously there's a high correlation there, with the 120 Division 1 teams.
(BTW, Miami is #20 in talent with ***** 1 and **** 24, and we are #11 in the rankings)
So my point is that recruiting highly ranked guys is like stacking the deck in your favor. It's like playing with house odds. Sure, you might lose a hand here or there, but in the long run the odds always win out.
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Ya but coaches look at what a kid looks like in making those plays...I.e. this kid just made a play that a Miami kid can make, looked like a Miami kid doing it, and then his size and upside? whether he caught 18 passes or 40 passes they don't care about that? Especially at wide receiver. There are a lot of kids at WR catching balls, but who looks like a major d1 doing it?
Would you agree?
I'll tell you what, a South Florida 3* is like a 4* anywhere else... unless you looking at specific regions, your numbers are flawed...
We need bethel. South fl beast with speed what's not to like? Oh because his name isn't Samuel or surtain who the **** cares. Bethel is gonna ball out.
I look at 2019 db class not near as strong . His speed Rs proper coaching he’ll be solid .
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I don't think we need Bethel. He would be just throw in to the class because of physical potential but far from a need.
Campbell is a NEED.
For these fans it's all about rankings.. IF this kid was a 4 star recruit, ppl would be saying he's a must get BUT he doesn't have that 4th star so ppl here look at him like he's a scrub!! BUT the crazy thing is, we see a bunch of recruits like these thru out college football year after year, turn into pro player's and the first thing we see on here "man how Miami let this kid get away".. Rumph coached Jackson for 2 seasons and the kid is talking about leaving early for the NFL "who would've imagine this 3 years ago", some ppl was expecting CMR to cut him!!
Bethel would be a stud learning under Rumph..
Yeah but I think people are thinking about the fact that he was dropped by Florida. Did he not slow play his recruitment also?
Who cares the kid made a mistake earlier in his recruitment. No hard feelings imo sign him up if he really wants to be here. Let him put on for his city unlike surtain and Campbell who seem to be jacking around our coaches.
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So you’re saying if you asked a bird out who weren’t all that because she looked good one day and she then messed you about. Only to go out with some other bloke who you can’t stand, for him then to turn her away. Then she comes running back to you and you’d still have open arms? I personally don’t mind us looking at him but I can definitely see why some have the hump over it
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I understand what you're saying I guess I'm just annoyed by Campbell and jobe situations. Campbell is starting to sour to me. He needs to be a man and let our coaches know if he's coming or not. stop jacking us around Campbell let our coaches recruit someone else if you ain't coming.
Campbell situation ? What situation?
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There ain't no cotdam Campbell situation. If a South Florida croot take him some time and look carefully at all his options, cot dam posters start to trashing da mane.
Don’t forget he already chose UF over us...
I’m not into all that “trust the coaches ****.” They’ve made plenty of mistakes like any other humans.
Get the elite guys. That’s all. Go get me Campbell and Surtain and call it a day at DB. No more reaching. I’m fed up with scrambling for projects who no other big time programs want.
For the last time.......where have I or anyone else said we should not go after the 5* and 4* bluechip recruits?
Literally nobody has said this. Nobody has made the argument 3* players are better than 5*. Nobody has said we should take Bethel and not Campbell or Surtain.
Miami is not going to be takin all 4* and 5* players in every single class. It isn't going to happen. This means you gotta find some 3* kids under the radar that have star potential.
If your gonna take 3* kids you have to do 1 of 2 things. Either take a raw athlete that maybe plays a different spot that has a clear high ceiling due to natural athleticism. Or take a kid that maybe lacks in some measurables in some way but make great football plays over and over and over.
Bethel fits the great athlete part of this. He is a potential take.
Nowhere are there more of these 3* kids that turn into All-Americans than in SEFL. A Miami coaching staff doing it's work has a huge advantage. They can look at kids more than anyone else. Miami should be able to have a greater percentage of 3* kids becoming ballas than anyone else. If this staff can find these diamonds in the rough unlike Golden, that is also how you beat the SEC teams. That is exactly how Miami has won 5 championships. The list of Miami All-American players that came from 2* and 3* players is too freaking long to list.
For the last freaking time so you can understand it........ya still go after Campbell and Surtain.
